Omega 3 capsules (merged)

Ted_Hutchinson

Maternal and infant nutritionBritish Nutrition Foundation information however this isn't particularly specific regarding the use of supplements.
They do say however No adverse effects of maternal n-3 supplementation have been observed and increased maternal intakes may be of particular importance in groups with a low habitual intake and in lower birth weight populations.
So in post #14 of this thread I've put the suggestion from two research papers. One of which suggest 2.7 g of omega 3 this would mean two teaspoons of Zipvit Omega Juice The other research paper suggest 1.4g of omega 3 which is one teaspoon of Omega Juice.

If your username implies you may be prone to mood changes and thus possibly at risk of depression it may be worth your while opting for the higher rather than the lower amount. I have seen research papers where up to 8g a day of Omega have been used so 3g is well below this and will cost only 14p a day.

Edit: I've now read your link which suggests a maximum of [font=arial,Helvetica,sans-serif] 3,3mg so I don't have to change my recommendation. I'll ring Zipvit tomorrow and try to find out if Omega Juice is made from fish liver or fish oil. I think if it was fish liver oil they would say and there would be something about the vit a content.
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HappySad

http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregnancy/pfitness/0,,3vz2,00.html

They recommend that you don't take suppliments when you are trying and pregnant because you cannot guarantee the contents and that is it is better to each two fish rich in Omega 3 a week.

Ted_Hutchinson

HappySad wrote:

http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregnancy/pfitness/0,,3vz2,00.html

They recommend that you don't take suppliments when you are trying and pregnant because you cannot guarantee the contents and that is it is better to each two fish rich in Omega 3 a week.

I have read what the American Nutritionalists say but I stick to my view. The majority view is that the potential benefit from taking up to 3g of omega 3 on the days you are not eating oily fish is greater than the potential risk from pcbs/mercury in the fish oil. The problem of mercury in American Waters stems from their overuse of solid fuel. Zipvit's fish is from North Sea waters and it less likely to be contaminated.

Edit: If you are still worried about the possibility of environmental pollutants in fish or fish oil may I suggest you increase your Selenium intake. Selenium in pregnancy: is selenium an active defective ion against environmental chemical stress?suggest that selenium has an active role in the mother's defense systems against the toxicity of environmental pollutants and the constituents of cigarette smoke.
WHF Selenium information

shokadelika

Ted_Hutchinson wrote:

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Those interested in knowing more about the importance of Vitamin D might like to read How Much Vitamin D Is Enough?In Boston, Detroit, and Chicago, for example, there’s enough sunshine only from April through October.
You may be as surprised as I was to see how far North the UK is in comparision with those cities Multimap if you click the side arrow until you get to France you will see how much of the UK is deficient in Vit D in Winter.
This explains to some extent why folk who have ops in the winter take longer to recover, and also possibly why MS is more prevalent the further north you go.

I too was shocked to find the host of diseases related to vitamin D deficiency we live to far North to generate any in our skin in Winter months plus think about all everyone who uses sunscreen make up etc.
Could also explain why there are more heart attacks ,falls in the eldery,depression,SAD,cold and flu and skin cancer see https://www.cholecalciferol-council.com or https://www.bmj.com type in vitamin D in the search box.
Scientists are now thinking we need about 1000iu to 2000iu (compared to 400iu) Vitamin D a day elderly more saying as we cannot get this from sunlight we have to obtain it through diet.
Cod liver oil is a natural source of vitamin A+D (if it has not been added back after refining) plus you get your Omega 3 too.

shokadelika

Ted_Hutchinson wrote:

I do agree with you but I realise that not everyone does agree with me so if shokadelika or anyone else prefers to pay extra and buy from Healthspan voucher CAR-LAU £3.00 off internet orders over £18 till 31-10-05 they may as well get £3.00 off the price.
but perhaps fluffybunnyyou wasn't aware that my Zipvit Omega Juice was a link to WWW.ZIPVIT.COM

Hi I take cod liver OIL ( after much searching !Healthspan) for the Vitamin D content it is very high in this because it is not taken out of the oil and added back as a synthetic later I think its Cheap at £4.85 free P+P I take 10 ml (twice the reccomended dose) and am getting roughly 2g of Omega 3 into the bargain and 1000iu of the important vit D it also came out best in MAFF tests for PCB+Mercury some brands were recalled off the shelves!I used to buy Seven Seas but this contains synthetic Vit A+D and they make it for nearly everyone else.

TED is the expert on OMEGA's and what he posts is always spot on.

If you are trying planning to get pregnant you need OMEGA 3 even the HORIZON program the other week stated that women who had more OMEGA 3 in their diet had healthier children who were more advanced at an earlier age than those who did not.

shokadelika

flossy_splodge wrote:

There was a discussion on the box recently that said supplements of Omega 3 are not very effective and the best way to boost intake of Omega 3 is through adjustment of diet. Something to do with the form it comes in when packaged in a bottle and the bodies ability to break it down easily and fully. Eat the salmon!!

If you eat farmed Salmon there is very little OMEGA 3 in it only wild salmon has large amounts.Also farmed salmon are given dye in their feed if you are a salmon farmer you even get to pick the shade of pink or red you would like your fish to have.Wild salmon is naturally pale unless it is red salmon.
Supplements are not effective if you do not take the correct strenght see all Ted's posts.

shays_mum

I'm a bit confused,are these the same things? or do you need to take them both?, currently my 3 yr old is taking halibo omega 3, after reading the postings here will be changing to zipvit orange drink. Thing is she can be bribed to take the capsules as sweets, not to sure if she will swallow the juice, do they do capsules?

Ted_Hutchinson

shays_mum wrote:

I'm a bit confused,are these the same things? or do you need to take them both?, currently my 3 yr old is taking halibo omega 3, after reading the postings here will be changing to zipvit orange drink. Thing is she can be bribed to take the capsules as sweets, not to sure if she will swallow the juice, do they do capsules?

If you give your 3yr old 2 Haliborange capsules you will be Providing Omega-3 Nutrients 260mg of which DHA 200mg EPA 28mg 2capsules approx 20p daily.

If you provide your 3 yr old with one teaspoon of Zipvit Omega Juice 900mg EPA 600mg DHA.approx 7p daily.

If you wanted to get drunk would you get drunk quicker drinking low alchohol shandy or full strength whisky?

The Durham Trial which is frequently referred to as the evidence showing that omega improved behaviour concentration etc used 550ish mg of EPA. but this used children over 6. As DHA is one of the main structural ingredients in the brain and as the brain keeps growing until the child is 6 it is important that those under 6 get plenty of DHA as well. You could if you wanted just use half a teaspoon of Omega Juice that would still be considerably better than the Haliborange product which is about as much good for providing EPA as a low alcohol shandy would be for someone intending to get drunk.

HappySad

Sorry to ask this but I feel I must. How come you know Ted so much about Omega 3. I am bascially checking you out. Are you a nutrisionist or Dietitian?




Another point. I went on the Brisish Dietetic Association Website and they recommend 450-900mg a day (DHA / EPA) for suppliments. They recommend a 1/3 for a young child of under 3. 1/2 for 4-6years old. 2/3 for 7-11years.

((Search for "Omega" on this page==>http://www.bda.uk.com/latest-food-facts.php ))

From what I have read so far.. Ted you are recommending 1.5g to 3g a day for a child. How do you know that this amount is to be given? How much DHA did the Duham Trial use?




I went to several shops yesterday, to Boots, Superdrug and a health food shop. It is not straight forward in choosing Omega3. Health shop recommended a brand that had Omega3+Omega6 + Omega9.. Any benefits from taking this because of the Omega6 & Omega9?

Also Equazen does a brand expecially for pregnant woman..."MumOmega".

Also will eating 2 portions of oily fish give you enough Omega3 and you don't need the suppliments? What if you eat the 2portions of oily fish and also take suppliments will that be OK? Could you then take a lower does of suppliments?

All very confusing in my head.

Is the "OJ Omega Juice " OK for a child of 2years old.

Ted_Hutchinson

HappySad wrote:

Sorry to ask this but I feel I must. How come you know Ted so much about Omega 3. I am bascially checking you out. Are you a nutrisionist or Dietitian?

First I would like to make it quite clear I am not an nutritionalist or a Dietician. You will see from my signature that I suffer from Manic Depression. I found out that Omega helps the medications used for Depression to be more effective so I gradually became more interested in the other beneficial effects of Omega3.

I became totally convinced of the benefits of Omega3 when my daughter fostered two children from a very deprived background. Their behaviour was worse than atrocious and they were seriously damaged little boys. Only after I advised trying Omega Juice did they become manageable and they have since been adopted by her and when they came to a family party recently were the star attractions (Grandad foolishly suggested the wire cages with pieces or carrot in them might be Goblin Traps so it was a hunt the Goblins party)

None of the information I put on here is my personal opinion. It is ALL derived from the most recent publications published at PUBMED The fact that the British Dietary Association recommend a lower amount than Australian or Canadian authorities is a reflection of how slowly they recognise the trend of current research. It is not I assure you a reflection of my reckless recommending of unsubstantiated claims. I have no person interest in promoting Omega3 and take a certain amount of stick from certain quarters for doing so. But every claim appears in my posts can and is totally and absolutely justified and if the BDA wish to take me on they are welcome to do so.

How much DHA did the Duham Trial

The Durham Trail used about 500mg of EPA. (6 Equazan Eye Q capsules) Which is why I often suggest that half a teaspoon of zipvit Omega3 is adequate. Though a full teaspoon will not provide any safety concerns at all. The Durham trial was looking at the benefits of EPA. For children under 6 with developing brains, DHA is also very important which is why Omega Juice is IMO a better buy than EYEQ.(or anything else for that matter)

I went to several shops yesterday, to Boots, Superdrug and a health food shop. It is not straight forward in choosing Omega3. Health shop recommended a brand that had Omega3+Omega6 + Omega9.. Any benefits from taking this because of the Omega6 & Omega9?

I doubt it. I can't find anything which suggest that anyone is suffering a deficiency of Omega6 or Omega9 I can't see the point in taking stuff for the sake of it.

Also Equazen does a brand expecially for pregnant woman..."MumOmega".

Also will eating 2 portions of oily fish give you enough Omega3 and you don't need the suppliments? What if you eat the 2portions of oily fish and also take suppliments will that be OK? Could you then take a lower does of suppliments?

According to the British Standards the advice is to take 2 portions of oily fish a week if you are pregnant. IMO although this is a maximum of fresh fish it could safely (and beneficially, as far as the baby and mother are concerned) be supplemented with one teaspoon of Omega Juice on the days when you are not planning to eat fish. However, it is for others to decide bearing in mind the research which I have brought to the forum.

Is the "OJ Omega Juice " OK for a child of 2years old.

ZIPVIT make it clear their supplements are for children of 3 years or over. If you child is under 3 you should, officially, use something else, however, there is nothing in Omega Juice which is conta-indicated so using a smaller amount than half a teaspoon could not be harmful.