Job Seekers Allowance has Been Stopped

LittleVoice

boldaslove wrote: »

. . . plus, temping work can be damaging. employers don't take the time to read CVs thoroughly and ask applicants for details, so if they see a load of temp jobs they may just assume the appliant can't hold down a job and will immediately decide against employing them. . . .

A thought - if you have a lot of temp jobs through a smaller number of agencies, then ensure that the work is shown under the name of the agency, not differentiated by the client company every time.

duchy

Badger_Lady wrote: »

So, although your argument of "anyone can get a job" may well apply to school-leavers and unqualified people, it can in fact be much harder once you're on an established career path that gets interrupted.

Sorry but I don't agree at all.
I'm qualified up to the eyeballs-years in the travel industry-admin/PA university education-all white collar jobs and then circumstances took over (family illness, child with a disability, single parentdom-none my choices but you just get on with it when it happens)and I needed more flexibility than these jobs would allow so .....I've sold knickers in la Senza, worked for Disney, been a barmaid and waitress, worked as an LSA in a high school, run a santa's grotto-all kinds of things (currently work in IT support) and not once did anyone turn me down for been "overqualified". I stressed at interviews that I had a good work ethic and frankly I think people who are turned down as "overqualified" well i think it's just employer shorthand for "they think they are too good for the job".
I think if JSA was withdrawn after 6 weeks if reasonable efforts weren't made to get a job an amazing number of people would find work rather than make the "lifestyle choice" to live off the rest of us until something their pickiness fancied came along.
Some people DO have more difficulty finding jobs than others but if the blaggers got back to work the job advisors in the job centres could actually give the time and resources to those who actually NEED their help in finding employment !!

Conor_3

TeaBoy wrote: »

conor- its not that easy for everyone, take me for example, english is not my first language which makes it difficult to start with, plus companies dont provide adequate prayer facilities to cater for my religious practices.
on top of this me and the wife have 7 children to look after. luckily with all the tax credits and other benefits its easy to get by.

Being able to speak English doesn't seem to be a requirement at all at one warehouse I was delivering at last week. Hardly a single person spoke English. There was Polish, Romanian, Urdu etc etc..and hardly any english. It's a similar story at the Geopost main hub in Birmingham where its mainly Indian languages.

So let me get this right. You decided to come and live in this country and because English isn't your first language (although you do a lot better than many born here), you can't keep your John Thomas in your trousers so had more kids than you can afford to keep and have a religion which apparently we're supposed to cater for (although that was your choice and the official religion in this country is Church of England), we're supposed to be OK with you sitting at home scrounging off the State because you've decided your life choices mean you don't have to work?


I am so looking forward to the Conservatives winning the next election. They're noted for being particularly tough on those who can work but won't.

Conor_3

staindude wrote: »

Conor, you sound like me when I've been through my more bitter phases. Do you feel like you've been forced to do things you'd rather not during your life so want to see everyone else go through the same suffering?

Yeah I have been forced to do things I'd rather not but its not about that at all. It's about people being bone idle and having no intentions of working, doing as little as possible to keep the JSA people happy and sponging off those who do graft. I have no problem with those who end up unemployed for reasons beyond their control but try and find anything but those who say there's no jobs I don't have any time for at all. What they mean is there's no dream jobs they'd like to do more like.

Could you do with an extra £500 because that's what the dole scroungers are costing you every year. That's right. £10 a week of what you earn goes directly into the pocket of the whingers in this thread who claim they can't find work.

Perhaps we should go round to their houses for dinner once a week. After all, we're paying for it.

Badger_Lady

duchy wrote: »

Sorry but I don't agree at all.
I'm qualified up to the eyeballs-years in the travel industry-admin/PA university education-all white collar jobs and then circumstances took over (family illness, child with a disability, single parentdom-none my choices but you just get on with it when it happens)and I needed more flexibility than these jobs would allow so

Yes, but you chose to do those things - you told your prospective employers that you wanted to change, circumstances, willing to work hard etc... I myself worked at Tesco last year to earn some extra cash alongside my full-time job, and was able to do so because I convinced them that it would be a long-term thing (though part-time) and that I would be dedicated to the work.

But someone who's just trying to earn a bit of cash while they look for a "proper job" is not going to be able to make the same promises.

Just think of it from an employer's point of view - you're running a warehouse, you want someone who'll work hard without necessarily having to think and will do what they're told. It takes you 2-3 months to fully train up a new employee, so you want someone that's going to stick to it. Would you employ the guy who's been sent to you from the Job Centre because there's a shortage of Finance Director positions at the moment?

My Dad was made redundant a few years ago - aged 49, earning £45k a year in a Senior IT job. It was before the anti-age discrimination laws came into effect, and he'd been in the same company for 19 years (paying NI btw). Do you begrudge that guy a few months JSA, rather than trying to retrain in something else? Particularly if that something else is going to be Mon-Fri 9-5 with an employer who isn't keen on you taking time off for interviews...

PasturesNew

duchy wrote: »

Sorry but I don't agree at all.
I'm qualified up to the eyeballs-years in the travel industry-admin/PA university education-all white collar jobs and then circumstances took over (family illness, child with a disability, single parentdom-none my choices but you just get on with it when it happens)and I needed more flexibility than these jobs would allow so .....I've sold knickers in la Senza, worked for Disney, been a barmaid and waitress, worked as an LSA in a high school, run a santa's grotto-all kinds of things (currently work in IT support) and not once did anyone turn me down for been "overqualified".

These seem to be part-time/flexible style jobs though. For full-time permanent jobs an employer is looking for "the exact match to what I had in mind when I wrote the advert".

I've been turned down for a lot of permanent, full-time jobs for being over-qualified. Even though those jobs were what I was choosing to do. Even when jobs in what I do didn't exist for 100-200 miles. Employers still think you'll leave quickly and it's a pain replacing full-time permanent staff because they are looking for committed continuity.

You say you work in IT support. I bet if I applied for a job there I'd be over-qualified for that. I did that 20 years ago and have spent the last 20 years doing all sorts of IT support/helpdesk/manager jobs before moving onto IT project management. Over-qualified.

Or under qualified as I haven't sat ON a helpdesk for 10 years.

Either way. You get one or the other.

duchy

Actually no-some were full-time.
And I'm pretty sure you know where I work PN and many people I work with are over qualified for the job and are doing it as a second job or alongside studying for further qualifications or because like me they don't want/need 9-5..
I'd be willing to bet if you applied you'd get a job offer

boldaslove

so people claiming off the state to barely live is worthy of a torrent of abuse, yet MPs spending public money on £500 coffee tables and ridiculously expensive wallpaper isn't even worth noting?

the twisted logic of some people never fails to entertain me! :rolleyes: i almost feel like going and claiming JSA and spending it all on beer just to annoy them :rotfl:

staindude

Conor wrote: »

Could you do with an extra £500 because that's what the dole scroungers are costing you every year. That's right. £10 a week of what you earn goes directly into the pocket of the whingers in this thread who claim they can't find work.

It's not that simple though is it, it's not like anyone gets any money back when someone on JSA finds a job.

I do understand your point, but I think it's hard for you to understand theirs because you've never been in that situation, and congratulations for doing more than most when it comes to looking for work.

I don't think many people directly choose to live off JSA - why would you? It's hardly party time. But it can get you stuck in a rut where you end up not doing as much as you can because you get used to it. I've been in these ruts and if the jobcentre had actually found me a job and said "here, you've lived off us enough, you start monday" I'd have been grateful even if I'd have absolutely hated the work. Just having the application process removed would be a huge help to a lot of people.

TeaBoy_2

i dont really have 7 kids or need a place of worship, just trying to wind conor up. I am honestly unemployed though. i guess i've already paid enough tax to cover the few weeks jsa i've claimed and hope i'll be contributing a lot more in the years to come.
Its not been easy getting back into work and while i'm still aiming high in my job search i've also applied for 2 or 3 low scale positions through the job centre and just not heard anything back. I'd hope my cv was adequete so i presume theres not as many vacancies as some suggest.

while conor is a little right wing i do agree to some extent, there are some degenerates out there who will happily spounge their entire lives. i dont mind if the tories hang them.