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Couple of quick HTML questions..

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  • F1F1
    F1F1 Posts: 218 Forumite
    Mr_Skint wrote:
    Most of the Framed issues were cleared up, as I was taught where to put
    the TAGS and Anchors within the frame, its just better if you make the main frame about 95% or so of the visible screen size,
    Or just use a 95% table?
    Mr_Skint wrote:
    the big problem isnt with the frames
    themselves it the positioning of tables within the frame and what percentage of that table is,
    I suppose there's a bit of a debate about fixed and percentage width websites. I think both are ok and don't mind fixed. I know some people don't like the space left over in larger resolutions but it doesn't bother me.
    Mr_Skint wrote:
    and of course the dreaded Browser itself, I mean you might make a website and view it in your Browsers to check it using, Opera, Netscape, IE, FireFox etc and then test it at different screen resolutions and it may look Brilliant until a user viewing your site may have chaged there Browser settings and then your well crafted website looks rubbish.
    I think that's the difference between publishing for print and publising for the web - publishing for print is a fixed thing, your viewers will see it as you want them to see it. Publishing for the web is more of a fluid thing - the information you want to put over is the important thing and, while you <one> can design a lovely website, I think you need to allow for flexibility. People can be viewing web content in all sorts of different ways so it's difficult to dictate. <and I don't believe we should - for example, we shouldn't dictate which font size someone uses, it should be a relative size so that the viewer can choose to make the font size larger or smaller as they wish> Just my 'umble opinion. :)
  • F1F1 wrote:
    Or just use a 95% table?


    Thats what I meant Table with an inserted Table
  • wolfman
    wolfman Posts: 3,225 Forumite
    F1F1 wrote:
    Re: problems with frames -
    I believe frames sites don't necessarily cause all the problems now that they used to, but have all the problems gone? I've always avoided them like the plague and our lecturers said to do so as well, so I'll accept that I'm probably not up to date with the frames situation! :) I'd be interested to know what the situation is like now. Have the printing problems been resolved as well? Usually in the past if you hit the print button <as most punters do> it would annoyingly print out the separate frames on separate sheets of paper. Do you have a URL for one of your framed sites and I'll be happy to watch and learn. :)

    Search engines generally can find frames tricky. This is because frames can prevent them from finding pages within a web site or causes them to send visitors into a site without the proper frame context being established.

    However, it can all be overcome with a few work arounds. Generally though, I'd try and steer clear of frames if possible, especially if you're using scripting languages. Stick with a combination of div's/tables and css.

    Fixed or Percentage based design both have their advantages and disadvantages. One thing to watch with percentage design, is that a really high resolution will stretch the page/text and pull apart the design. Reading very long lines across the screen can be awkward for the user, and generally isn't good design.
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  • F1F1
    F1F1 Posts: 218 Forumite
    wolfman wrote:
    Search engines generally can find frames tricky. This is because frames can prevent them from finding pages within a web site or causes them to send visitors into a site without the proper frame context being established.

    However, it can all be overcome with a few work arounds. Generally though, I'd try and steer clear of frames if possible, especially if you're using scripting languages. Stick with a combination of div's/tables and css.
    Yeah, that's what I'd thought, perhaps still better to steer clear unless there's a real need for frames. I wasn't sure if things had changed much.
    wolfman wrote:
    Fixed or Percentage based design both have their advantages and disadvantages. One thing to watch with percentage design, is that a really high resolution will stretch the page/text and pull apart the design. Reading very long lines across the screen can be awkward for the user, and generally isn't good design.
    I agree. Writing for the web has to be more concise, and is easier to read in short lines/small chunks, use bullet points, etc, etc.
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