Sell Your House Now Or Face 80% Falls, what is YOUR prediction?

Oliveru

LillyJ wrote: »

If you think that a policy that has lead to the murder of countless baby girls is a good one then I am afraid I have nowhere left to argue with you.

This is always the main argument spoken out against the one child policy, but it's emotionally driven and missleading.

First of all 2nd children don't get 'murdered', the family simply get fined a rather large amount of money (around £2,000, a lot for the poorer Chinese).

Secondly it's the parents responsibility to not have a second child and in most cases parents have purposefully broken the rules just so they could get a boy the next time if they didn't get one the first time- so it's their own fault for causing misery.

Anyway we are somewhat sidetracking off the main topic but I thought I'd educate you a little despite your request to the contrary :rotfl:

LillyJ

Oliveru wrote: »

This is always the main argument spoken out against the one child policy, but it's emotionally driven and missleading.

First of all 2nd children don't get 'murdered', the family simply get fined a rather large amount of money (around £2,000, a lot for the poorer Chinese).

Secondly it's the parents responsibility to not have a second child and in most cases parents have purposefully broken the rules just so they could get a boy the next time if they didn't get one the first time- so it's their own fault for causing misery.

Anyway we are somewhat sidetracking off the main topic but I thought I'd educate you a little despite your request to the contrary :rotfl:

Um I think you are rather mistaken there little Oliveru. Many baby girls have been murdered when they are the FIRST child as people want to have a boy. (culture). Many people cannot afford to have a girl and they cannot afford the fine for a second child so they keep killing girls until they get a boy.

Again, I don't need education, 6 years at uni and a PhD did that for me thanks. And as it was in public health I have a little knowledge about the old Chinese system and the effects on it's people.

Gangstabird

I am going to step up here and say what I think. I was an estate agent & financial advisor in the late 80's & early 90's. Even I bought an endowment policy!!!!!

I truly believe that people have stretched themselves to the limit.

Higher food/fuel/petrol bills are really starting to get to people.

The banks are no longer doing those sorts of deals. They are simply saying 'no'. The banks that you used to be able to get a 'self cert mortgage' are no longer taking business and my guess is that they will all end up being bought out by the big banks who will up the interest rate the minute all of those 'iffy' loans are up.

Oliveru

LillyJ wrote: »

Again, I don't need education, 6 years at uni and a PhD did that for me thanks. And as it was in public health I have a little knowledge about the old Chinese system and the effects on it's people.

Sure the old Chinese system was horrible but so was the old British system and countless others, it's the now that matters. You said parents are killing their own baby girls well that is obviously appauling but it's not the government doing it and it's certainly not an accepted part of their culture if I mentioned that to any of my Chinese friends in China they would be as shocked as you are.

You can't blame the one child policy for the murders when it's the parents doing them and not the governments. In any case I'm sure it's only a small minority of cases rather than a widespread murdering culture!

I think you have miss understood me a little I never meant to say you are uneducated generally I just think you aren't very open minded about political and economic issues just like 99% of people in this country, I'm sure you are a very intelligent woman.

rustybucket

Oliveru wrote: »

Oh trust me I am I'm saving hard plus moving to China, I doubt there is much more I can do to put my money where my mouth is!

Beware, someone I know who has lived in China for 15 years has decided he can't take no more. He comes back not a wealthy man as he expected, but he believes his wife and child while they will struggle here (his wife is Chinese, he is English) they will be better off.

Many expats are returning to the UK as believe it or not, this is not a bad place to live.

I think there is more you can do in relation to your point of view and that is live a little, and that is from personal experience.

As for my opinion on house prices, sure they will go down, I may be in negative equity in a year, however we have a place that we can call home for a very long time. We are in secure jobs so we should be fine, no matter what. In fact I may even benefit if there is a recession.

SingleSue

Oliveru wrote: »

Sure the old Chinese system was horrible but so was the old British system and countless others, it's the now that matters. You said parents are killing their own baby girls well that is obviously appauling but it's not the government doing it and it's certainly not an accepted part of their culture if I mentioned that to any of my Chinese friends in China they would be as shocked as you are.

You can't blame the one child policy for the murders when it's the parents doing them and not the governments. In any case I'm sure it's only a small minority of cases rather than a widespread murdering culture!

I think you have miss understood me a little I never meant to say you are uneducated generally I just think you aren't very open minded about political and economic issues just like 99% of people in this country, I'm sure you are a very intelligent woman.

The Chinese government may not directly be involved in the murders but their policy and the Chinese culture is almost forcing desperate parents into the act of murder.

Much like when abortion was illegal here, so many deaths and long term illnesses due to woman being forced into going to back street practioners.

Oliveru

rustybucket wrote: »

Beware, someone I know who has lived in China for 15 years has decided he can't take no more. He comes back not a wealthy man as he expected, but he believes his wife and child while they will struggle here (his wife is Chinese, he is English) they will be better off.

So he can support a wife and child yet is having a hard time in China? Must be an erroneous case as all the expats in China I've spoken to (perhaps 4-5) were having a great time.

Sure China is not perfect, it is rife with all the problems of capitalism (maybe even a little worse in some cases!) that we have here but their government has a long term goal to make the country prosper which instills me with a lot of confidence. I'd say as a foreigner you can do pretty well for yourself on an English teachers wage in China for example right now.

I actually did a little working out and realised I'd need to earn ~ £30k in this country to get the same quality of life as I can get in China as soon as I start my career there, and obviously the more experience I get the higher my pay can be.

lewt

Lilly j you have ruined this thread with your nasty comments. imo.

LillyJ

Oliveru wrote: »

Sure the old Chinese system was horrible but so was the old British system and countless others, it's the now that matters. You said parents are killing their own baby girls well that is obviously appauling but it's not the government doing it and it's certainly not an accepted part of their culture if I mentioned that to any of my Chinese friends in China they would be as shocked as you are.

You can't blame the one child policy for the murders when it's the parents doing them and not the governments. In any case I'm sure it's only a small minority of cases rather than a widespread murdering culture!

I think you have miss understood me a little I never meant to say you are uneducated generally I just think you aren't very open minded about political and economic issues just like 99% of people in this country, I'm sure you are a very intelligent woman.

Oh so that's OK then if it's the parents doing the murdering

I am very open minded about political and economic issues and have lived all over the world, not just in this country.

Your friends wouldn't know about the murders as the news is censored.

By the "old" chinese system I was using it as a figure of speech, I didn't mean "not the new one"

LillyJ

lewt wrote: »

Lilly j you have ruined this thread with your nasty comments. imo.

Sorry to hear that, but Oliveru seems to think it is OK to murder babies as long as it isn't the government that do it.