Woohoo New 2nd job

carolan78

Just look on Elance lots of companies pay for this service, maybe they don't trust a programme or realise you can get one to do the job for you. I know I didn't lol

telby

Well I have done my first £5 worth and they paid me via paypal, so no con.

I found the job on Reed.co.uk under the "homeworking" section. Its turns out the guy who is employing me is starting a new business and is paying for me to build him an email list.

He was saying he may need other people for similar work further down the line, so if this happens then I'll post it here.

geordie_joe

telby wrote: »

Its turns out the guy who is employing me is starting a new business and is paying for me to build him an email list.

Ah, so your gathering email addresses for a spammer!

If you are copying these address from a web site and the owners, of the addresses, haven't given their permission then if he uses the email addresses he is spamming.

telby

geordie_joe wrote: »

Ah, so your gathering email addresses for a spammer!

If you are copying these address from a web site and the owners, of the addresses, haven't given their permission then if he uses the email addresses he is spamming.

Quite possibly. Don't know what he's going to use it for and quite frankly I couldn't care less as long as I get paid for the work.

geordie_joe

telby wrote: »

Quite possibly. Don't know what he's going to use it for and quite frankly I couldn't care less as long as I get paid for the work.

Well I don't agree with it, but if you are not breaking any laws then I acknowledge you have the right to do it.

But I think you should ask your self why he is paying you to do it. In some countries you can go to prison for spamming, or assisting spammers.

It is easy to get programs that scour the Internet harvesting email address, why is he paying you to do it?

Could it be that, when he gets caught, he will claim he bought the mail addresses from you and thought they were legit. Will he claim he thought you had obtained them with the permission of the owners and had no idea you were just "stealing" them?

Ignore the fact that people on here may, or may not agree with what you are doing, and ask your self if you are being set up as the "fall guy" just in case this spammer gets caught?

There is no point in gathering emails addresses if you are not going to use them, and if the owners didn't sign up to anything then it will be spam. Do you really want to be charged with selling email addresses to spammers?

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/waw/press/2008/mar/soloway.html

telby

geordie_joe wrote: »

Well I don't agree with it, but if you are not breaking any laws then I acknowledge you have the right to do it.

But I think you should ask your self why he is paying you to do it. In some countries you can go to prison for spamming, or assisting spammers.

It is easy to get programs that scour the Internet harvesting email address, why is he paying you to do it?

Could it be that, when he gets caught, he will claim he bought the mail addresses from you and thought they were legit. Will he claim he thought you had obtained them with the permission of the owners and had no idea you were just "stealing" them?

Ignore the fact that people on here may, or may not agree with what you are doing, and ask your self if you are being set up as the "fall guy" just in case this spammer gets caught?

There is no point in gathering emails addresses if you are not going to use them, and if the owners didn't sign up to anything then it will be spam. Do you really want to be charged with selling email addresses to spammers?

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/waw/press/2008/mar/soloway.html

I would imagine at the age he is then he may not be up with what technology can do for him. Just an assumption based upon what I know, and gut feeling.

We are also assuming he is going "spam". There is a big difference between randomly sending out hundreds of monthly emails using a scattergun approach and sending a 1-off targetted email to a selected audience which will be receptive to your product.

For example if a provider of book keeeping software sends a 1-off email to 1000 book keepers who would genuinely be interested in the product then I personally do not class it as spam. Technically I grant you this may fall under the definition in some respects, but this is not the kind of email abuser that the authorities would be interested in.

From what I have seen regarding the emails I am collecting and the product, they are mutually beneficial and have relevance to the audience.

geordie_joe

telby wrote: »

I would imagine at the age he is then he may not be up with what technology can do for him. Just an assumption based upon what I know, and gut feeling.

Or he could just be looking for a fall guy

telby wrote: »

We are also assuming he is going "spam".

The owners of the email addresses have not requested, or indicated that they want the emails. Therefore it is spam.

telby wrote: »

There is a big difference between randomly sending out hundreds of monthly emails using a scattergun approach and sending a 1-off targetted email to a selected audience which will be receptive to your product.

There is no difference. If someone does not ask for, or agree to be sent an email then it is spam.

Saying you are only going to send emails to people who might be interested in them is no excuse for spam.

telby wrote: »

For example if a provider of book keeeping software sends a 1-off email to 1000 book keepers who would genuinely be interested in the product then I personally do not class it as spam.

You may not, but the judge will, and he or she will have the power to punish you.

telby wrote: »

Technically I grant you this may fall under the definition in some respects, but this is not the kind of email abuser that the authorities would be interested in.

Trust me, if it is spam and the authorities think they can "get someone" for it they will be interested.

telby wrote: »

From what I have seen regarding the emails I am collecting and the product, they are mutually beneficial and have relevance to the audience.

But they are not asked for and may not be wanted, that makes them spam.

The simple fact is, if you are supplying email addresses without the owners consent to receiving the emails then it is spam.

If you think the authorities won't be interested in you then you are wrong. Stopping the person selling the email addresses will stop more spam than stopping those who are buying them.

telby

geordie_joe wrote: »

Or he could just be looking for a fall guy


The owners of the email addresses have not requested, or indicated that they want the emails. Therefore it is spam.

There is no difference. If someone does not ask for, or agree to be sent an email then it is spam.

Wrong I'm afraid.

The definition of spam in something which is Bulk AND unsolicited. Also many of the regs do not apply to businesses. Business and Private Spam regs are quite different. For instance if he sends them out in under batches of 10 then it is NOT spam regardless whether the approach was unsolicited.

Please see the following taken from the information comissioners office. Clearly number 2 is being met:

Electronic mail

Electronic mail is emails, SMS (text), picture, video and answer-phone messages. Electronic mail marketing messages should not be sent to individuals without their permission unless one of these following criteria are met:

1. The marketer has obtained your details through a sale or negotiations for a sale.
2. The messages are about similar products or services offered by the sender.
3. You were given an opportunity to refuse the marketing when your details were collected and, if you did not refuse, you were given a simple way to opt out in every future communication.

The regulations may not cover electronic mail marketing messages sent to businesses.

geordie_joe

telby wrote: »

Wrong I'm afraid.

I'm off to bed now, and don't have time to reply to the whole post, but i will say this.

telby wrote: »

Please see the following taken from the information comissioners office. Clearly number 2 is being met:

No, you can't be sure of that, and remember, you are the fall guy.

Not to mention that most people would consider number 3 to be the most important. And that's the one they complain about.

telby wrote: »

Electronic mail

Electronic mail is emails, SMS (text), picture, video and answer-phone messages. Electronic mail marketing messages should not be sent to individuals without their permission unless one of these following criteria are met:

1. The marketer has obtained your details through a sale or negotiations for a sale.
2. The messages are about similar products or services offered by the sender.
3. You were given an opportunity to refuse the marketing when your details were collected and, if you did not refuse, you were given a simple way to opt out in every future communication.

You also didn't read the link I posted, otherwise you would know that the person involved was selling the mail addresses. OK, it was a bit more complicated than that, but the bottom line is he was selling a list of email addresses and the people had not opted into the list.

If the person you supply the email addresses to sends an email to the wrong person you will be the one they go after.

telby

I can be reasonably sure that point 2 is being met seems as I know his product and I know the emails of which I am gathering.

Whether people regard number 3 as most important or not, the law says it is allowable to send an email about a similar product or service.

Thirdly I am not selling email addresses. I am selling my data entry skills. I have it clearly documented that my instructions are just to collect the required data and I am being paid for my time and skills.

Many jobs carry risk of an innocent person ending up as a fall guy - For example does the courier really know what is on board his van hidden in a pallet? Because by law he is responsible for the contents held within it should he be stopped.

However I understand the point you tried to make and I thank you for your concern, but in my informed opinion the risks are extremely minimal and I see no reason not to continue with it.