19" Samsung Syncmaster 932MW HDTV £149

Jefft_2

dc wrote: »

The lower prices are because these are refurbished.
LCD TVs are higher priced because the market allows that, not because the components cost more.

You can get more screens for tvs than monitors out of a LCD slab, as the vertical pixel count is lower, so TVs should really be cheaper than monitors.
As regarding the 16:10 (1200) monitor screen displaying a 16:9 TV (1080) pic, the latter is only 10% shorter in height. The black lines would only be about 1/2" top and bottom, less then the thickness of the frame, so would hardly be noticeable. Especially if viewed in low ambient lighting.

The cheapest way to have a digital LCD TV at the moment is to get an upscaling Freeview box and an LCD monitor with a DVI input.

"You can get more screens for tvs than monitors out of a LCD slab":rotfl:

"The cheapest way to have a digital LCD TV at the moment is to get an upscaling Freeview box and an LCD monitor with a DVI input" What about sound??

reaper200

bigturnip wrote: »

It supports 1080p signals and will just downscale them 1440x900 and distorts them, because this is a monitor with a TV tuner built in and the aspect ratio is wrong for TV content.



To support a full HD resolution funnily enough you need 1080 vertical lines, not 1200, 1920x1200 is a monitor resolution not a HDTV resolution, 1920x1080 is required for full HD (size of TV is irrelevant). If you watch HD content on a 1920x1200 monitor it is going to be seriously distorted or have ugly black lines at the top and bottom.



I'm guessing that during this two months of research you never came across the fact that the PS3 outputs at 16:9, as you bought a PC monitor for it with the wrong aspect ratio.

It's no wonder with information like this that people get confused buying HD TV's, there are only two resolutions of TV compatible with HD content 1920x1080 (1080p and 1080i) and 1280x720 (720p), anything else will give you distortion or cropping.

Thanks for that Bigturnip. I don't claim to be an expert it's just stuff i picked up. Anyway black bars on the top and bottom is natural for the resolution i stated as it is a widesreen resolution for monitors and as far as I know they always show black bars on the bottom and top. My old 19 inch monitor used to show it for normal DVD's as well (as does this one). 1920x1080 is a non widescreen resolution.

Furthermore the reason I bought this montior is because of some of it's brilliant features. You can change the aspect ratio for the thing to 16:10 or 16:9. Furthermore it has an option for the coveted 1:1 pixel mapping which allows HD material to be displayed without any distortion and is a must for viewing HD material on monitors.

dc

Jefft wrote: »

"You can get more screens for tvs than monitors out of a LCD slab":rotfl:

"The cheapest way to have a digital LCD TV at the moment is to get an upscaling Freeview box and an LCD monitor with a DVI input" What about sound??

:rolleyes2
Yes LCD panels are cut to size from much larger panels or slabs called "Motherglass panels" .

The current Samsung TV panels are 2.5metres by 2.2metres.
http://www.hdtv-news.co.uk/2008/04/25/sony-and-samsung-double-lcd-panel-production/


For sound you buy a monitor with speakers or fit a sound bar, fed from the Freeview box or feed an external sound system 2.1 or 5.1 that most people already have.

I bet you own a PS3

Jefft_2

dc wrote: »

:rolleyes2
Yes LCD panels are cut to size from much larger panels or slabs called "Motherglass panels" .

The current Samsung TV panels are 2.5metres by 2.2metres.
http://www.hdtv-news.co.uk/2008/04/25/sony-and-samsung-double-lcd-panel-production/


For sound you buy a monitor with speakers or fit a sound bar, fed from the Freeview box or feed an external sound system 2.1 or 5.1 that most people already have.

I bet you own a PS3

Very interesting. So how do you get more 19" TV screens than 19" monitor screens from a 2.5 x 2.2 metre panel?

"an external sound system 2.1 or 5.1 that most people already have" most people??

No I don't own a PS3, at 57 I don't feel the need. I have just about everything else electronic though.

bigturnip

reaper200 wrote: »

Thanks for that Bigturnip. I don't claim to be an expert it's just stuff i picked up. Anyway black bars on the top and bottom is natural for the resolution i stated as it is a widesreen resolution for monitors and as far as I know they always show black bars on the bottom and top. My old 19 inch monitor used to show it for normal DVD's as well (as does this one). 1920x1080 is a non widescreen resolution.

1920x1080 is a widescreen resolution, in fact it is one of the only two proper widescreen HDTV resolutions along with 1280x720.

reaper200 wrote: »

Furthermore the reason I bought this montior is because of some of it's brilliant features. You can change the aspect ratio for the thing to 16:10 or 16:9

If you're using it for TV/DVD content it's going to be 16:9 anyway and any modern graphics card would allow you to display from your computer at 16:9, so unless you're using it on a computer with a really outdated graphics card that won't support a true 16:9 resolution then there is no need for 16:10, and as we are talking TV's here 16:10 doesn't really come into the equation. Besides 16:9 is not the native ratio of your monitor, so you will get distortion, black lines or cropping.

reaper200 wrote: »

Furthermore it has an option for the coveted 1:1 pixel mapping which allows HD material to be displayed without any distortion and is a must for viewing HD material on monitors.

If you buy a TV with 1920x1080 or 1280x720 and use 1080i, 1080p or a 720p source (99.9% of HD content on the market) you get 1:1 pixel mapping without needing to set anything up. If you 1:1 mapped a 720p source onto your 1920x1200 monitor it would be using a lot less than half the pixels giving you something like a 12" image in the centre of your 19" monitor, no point having 1:1 mapping if you have to have your nose on the screen.

I'm not trying to have a go at you, your set up obviously works for you, but I feel it is important to point out to people that to get the optimum TV picture you need a 16:9 display at a native HD resolution.

There are an awful lot of TV's sold at 1366x768, while being 16:9 (virtually), they are not a native HDTV resolution and won't give you 1:1 pixel mapping, these are a hangover from the days when monitors were made at 1024x768 or 1280x768 resolutions and it is cheaper for the factories to carry on manufacturing screens with 768 vertical lines. 1280x720 screens are something of a rarity, but will give you a better picture than the more common, but rather oddly sized, 1366x768.

reaper200

I know your not having a go at me mate. I actually appreciate people who try to inform other people of products and complicated issues such as HD.

But like I said I am still not sure what your on about. Are you talking about PC monitors or TV's? I've never experienced any sort of distortion or lines. There are black bars on the bottom and top when i watch movies but these are the norm as even films on terrestrial TV have them.

Also this monitor and all others with 1920x1200 resolution are advertised as FULL HD. It was my belief that a monitor\TV could only be called that if it could show 1080p without distortion\upscaling etc.

Now if 1920x1080 is FULL HD then it stands to reason so is 1920x1200 because the latter has more vertical lines than the former and so therefore has (more than) enough vertical lines to output a FULL HD picture, wouldn't it?

I'm really confused.

pault123

Brand new >>>


http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Teco+19+Inch+HD+Ready+LCD+TV+?productId=31415

Odd_Fellow

pault123 wrote: »

Brand new >>>


http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Teco+19+Inch+HD+Ready+LCD+TV+?productId=31415

Not a Samsung though. Be better to post this as a new thread.