processor & Motherboard

globalds

As far as over clocking is concerened it is probably better we all agree to disagree
It is my loss if I cook my processor (well daughters as well) .
That wasn't really the point of the post .I can only say I will be very careful.

CloudRuler wrote: »

1. The websites you're looking at aren't the best. If you're intending to build your own PC you should be looking at sites like dabs and microdirect. You should also check out local computer markets, £70 for a case is stupid pricing.
2. I wouldn't pay that for the dual core when the Q6600 is around the same price.
3. A 512mb 8800 GTS card is more than sufficient, there is no point wasting money on an 8800 GTX.
4. Buying 8gb of ram is just throwing money down the toilet unless someone in the house is going to use the computer for rendering videos etc. For gaming it certainly is not necessary, 4gb is easily more than adequate.
5.Check out anandtech, post the rough build on there and you'll get advice from a substantial number of people used to building their own computers.

I haven't gone Quad as AFIK most games don't gain any improvement from Quad.
The 8 Gig is a luxury But I have seen that both my kids will try and play with multiple applications open ..I do tell them ..I was just hoping this would help the PC combat this .
I only paid £31.00 for the case and so think that is quite reasonable .
As far as graphics cards ..Is there an ATI equvelent to the 8800 ..I have to admit that I don't really like N-videa ...Only from past experience ..Again I am easily sold if the argument stands up .
So far I have a list of one Mobo and one processor ....Any more out there ?

CloudRuler

globalds wrote: »

I haven't gone Quad as AFIK most games don't gain any improvement from Quad.
The 8 Gig is a luxury But I have seen that both my kids will try and play with multiple applications open ..I do tell them ..I was just hoping this would help the PC combat this .
I only paid £31.00 for the case and so think that is quite reasonable .
As far as graphics cards ..Is there an ATI equvelent to the 8800 ..I have to admit that I don't really like N-videa ...Only from past experience ..Again I am easily sold if the argument stands up .
So far I have a list of one Mobo and one processor ....Any more out there ?

I'd still go Quad considering games like Alan Wake which harness this technology its only going to be a matter of time before other games follow suit. Wouldn't skimp on the processor either for gaming, certainly not down to an E2160 anyway.
The 8gb would still be wasted in my opinion. If you check out anandtechs forum pretty much all of the gamers builds are max 4gb, not because they don't have several applications open but because more than 4gb is generally only needed if you'll be video rendering. Also remember you'll need vista if you don't already have it.
As far as the graphics cards go I don't think theres an ATi equivalent but I could be wrong, check anandtech for the benchmark tests.
I've been looking at building a computer for a while now, as far as motherboards go I've decided to go with a DDR2+DDR3 compatible one which at the moment is the Gigabyte S775, on dabs for £77. Not parting with the cash yet though.

turbobob

I've run a AMD Athlon XP Mobile overclocked by around 25% for the best part of 5 years and a Core 2 Duo overclocked by about 70% (but still at standard voltage) for 2 years.

Frankly if one of them packed in now, I wouldn't be too bothered. I could get a replacement quite cheaply and I would probably overclock that as well. I agree though that overvolting the processor for "extreme" overclocking or allowing it to overheat will shorten its life..

epz_2

PROLIANT wrote: »

By increasing the speed of a processor you are making it work harder thus generating more heat, I take it you are fully versed in micro electronics and the fundamentals of computer systems, if so please explain to me in technical notation how you came up with your findings.

on a saturday night and a couple of beers in i cant be bothered looking up the frequency to resistance formulas but its not liniar.

the fact is cpus are binned according to the max thermal envelope based upon the heat dissapation of a standard cooler, it highly unlikely the cpu will be running at the top of the envelope (1) add that to better cooling than designed for(which aint hard) and there's usually plenty of headroom as long as you check the cpu temps at full load for a while.



apart from electron build up which is like 1% a year(oced or not) cpus either burn or work, they are solid state devices



(1)not even taking account for the overcapacity in the higher performace but lower demand clocked cpus that get thrown in the lower part bin.

ollyk

My Athlon XP 2100+ has been overclocked to 2Ghz since the day I purchased the thing new (when was this released?) and has always had the stock heatsink + fan. Nice, cool and very stable!

globalds

This isn't a chip or a mobo ,but is it a bargain

PNY 8800GT: 512Mb DDR3, PCI-E 2.0,1800 MHz, SLI-certified - £104.56 delivered @ Scan
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/176144/pny-8800gt-512mb-ddr3-pci-e-2-0-180/

there is a couple of samsung hard drives on there to.......... any comments
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/175384/samsung-750-gb-hd753lj-spinpoint-f1/
750 Gig
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/172886/samsung-1tb-hd103uj-spinpoint-f1-sa/
1 Terra byte


I've already got an Antec Neo HE 430 watt PSU This one here
http://www.midlandcomputers.com/default.asp?area=prodview&prodid=6802...
That should manage shouldn't it ?

I think a new computer will soon be born...

Blacksheep1979

PROLIANT wrote: »

..fact,

and anyone that uses this argument can be discounted straight off - overclocking can shorten the life of hardware but not always and not always to that great an extent.

To the op a newmotherboard cpu (depending on current settup) may make next to no difference in games depending on your current gfx card. Best bet is to list your current setup here and then get advice.

CloudRuler

globalds wrote: »

This isn't a chip or a mobo ,but is it a bargain

PNY 8800GT: 512Mb DDR3, PCI-E 2.0,1800 MHz, SLI-certified - £104.56 delivered @ Scan
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/176144/pny-8800gt-512mb-ddr3-pci-e-2-0-180/

there is a couple of samsung hard drives on there to.......... any comments
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/175384/samsung-750-gb-hd753lj-spinpoint-f1/
750 Gig
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/172886/samsung-1tb-hd103uj-spinpoint-f1-sa/
1 Terra byte


I've already got an Antec Neo HE 430 watt PSU This one here
http://www.midlandcomputers.com/default.asp?area=prodview&prodid=6802...
That should manage shouldn't it ?

I think a new computer will soon be born...

Good price for a GT but if you can get a 512mb GTS for not much more than the GT you might as well go for it, if not stick with the GT. Just keep this in mind: 8800
HDs are around that price on dabs and microdirect so although the price is good its not uncommon. Presumably you're not intending to go for a RAID then? Theres a 500gb WDC S300 RAID drive for £57 with lambdatek not inc VAT.
As for the PSU check http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=84&threadid=2179602&enterthread=y

globalds

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

To the op a newmotherboard cpu (depending on current settup) may make next to no difference in games depending on your current gfx card. Best bet is to list your current setup here and then get advice.

The PC I wish to upgrade is a P4 3.0 ghz with 1.2 Ram and a radeon 9800 pro AGP GPU
This is a medion system that I have added bits to (Ram & Graphics ) .
It is not a fast machine .I think just a combination of cheaper components and it's configuration .It also has a case that doesn't circulate very well and I have had to cut a hole in the side and install a fan to draw air from around the GPU.

I have another machine with a similar processor but with 3 gig of Geil ram ,2 Seagate Barracuda in a raid and a Radeon 850 XT PE...This is a much faster machine and will be all right for a bit longer .

Would it be too much to have 2 of the Samsung 750's in a raid ?

To start the ball rolling just a recommendation for a processor would be good ...I could probably trawl around on my own for Mobo that combines well ....Then come back to ask opinions again .
So lets say I have a maximum of £120 for a chip ...Any ideas ?

wolfman

PROLIANT wrote: »

By increasing the speed of a processor you are making it work harder thus generating more heat, I take it you are fully versed in micro electronics and the fundamentals of computer systems, if so please explain to me in technical notation how you came up with your findings.

If you upgrade the stock cooler and thermal paste you can get a better heatsink/fan and thermal paste which will allow you to overclock the cpu, but without increasing the temperature it runs at as they'll dissipate the heat better.

You also have to remember you can have two Q6600's and one may run cooler slightly than another. This is typical of the manufacturing process.

Plus, C2D's generally run very cool. Without overclocking, my Q6600, the hottest core runs at 45C under 100% load. If I overclock it by 25% it only increases to 49C.

Also means I can buy a cheaper cpu, and it'll perform nearly as well as an upmarket one (but saving me the cost).