Income Tax: Do you agree with the Govt’s changes? Poll results/discussion

Vlasko

UltraViolet68 wrote: »

I know how much someone earning considerably more than £40k per year pays in tax, I am one of the winners in these changes, however I stand by what I believe - yes it is fair that I pay more than someone earning just £15k a year. I do not get much at all from public services (no kids, good health, own home/transport), but simple direct taxation means less waste on cost of collection and IMO fair. We are all winners if the children of the country get a good education.

Taking your argument to the far extream would be to suggest the fairest way would be to have no free services and pay for what we use. That would be a IMO nasty society - 'dog eat dog' and 'I'm all right Jack' with the have nots being driven to drastic measures if they needed medical attention, fly-tipping becoming common etc.

Yes, for me it is nice for me that my salary will have a little less tax taken from it this month, but no, I do not like that to fund it, lower paid and pensioners have to pay more tax. Def. wrong.

Incidentally, the effect of the changes are the same whether you earn £45k or £245k ..... you will be £297 a year better off when you take the NI into consideration as well as the tax. £24.75 a month .... a couple of nice bottles of wine for me, but perhaps a whole week food shopping for the low paid single or the pensioner between 60 and 64.

Fairest society should be with tax from the head. This is not achievable - poor people envy the rich and politicians that decide about tax system rely on poor peoples vote - they are easier to manipulate(as seen by G.Brown where 5 milion > 25 milion). So the next fairest system is a flat tax. For example: first 8000 tax free, rest taxed on 20%. This would also require to scrap all exceptions that are already in system. This way treasury would receive MORE money that on progressive tax system present currently. Reason for this is that the rich will stop trying to optimise their taxes(no exceptions, fear of getting caugth, not worth doing it). And I know it works - I have seen it myself. But this would require a political party that really cares about the country not just talks s**t. Labour, Conservatives and LibDem are unfortunatelly all the same.

Daisy_Bell

Cheepnis said "......Can't wait to spoil my vote again next week...."

I say - You'd do better using your vote 'Tactically' - that is don't waste your vote - vote for anyone rather than do that. If everyone who usually votes Labour wasted their vote or didn't vote at all, they will just get in again, but by a lower turn-out! Vote for the Lib Dems, UKIP or even the BNP if you can't bring yourself to vote Tory, but don't just not vote!

cheepnis

Daisy_Bell wrote: »

I say - You'd do better using your vote 'Tactically' - that is don't waste your vote - vote for anyone rather than do that.

It's more of a protest for me. If I choose not to decide, I've still made a choice. I might vote Labour again, if they ever come back.
I heard the perfect description the other day - that "Labour and Tory are just two cheeks of the same @rse"

I wish more people would make the effort to spoil their vote - if only to express dissatisfaction.
Much better than abstaining, or waving two fingers down the pub.

Worked in Local Government for 11 years, I know what a self-serving bunch politicians can be.
NONE OF THE ABOVE - gets my vote again - sorry.

advent

Check out the 10 Downing Street site and sign the petition to reinstate the 10p tax band.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/10penceband/

Considering there are 5million people that are effected by the changes, why are there less than 4000 signatures for this?

Come on people- sign the petition!

Grebe

advent wrote: »

Check out the 10 Downing Street site and sign the petition to reinstate the 10p tax band.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/10penceband/

Considering there are 5million people that are effected by the changes, why are there less than 4000 signatures for this?

Come on people- sign the petition!

Many thanks Advent, :T I have just signed the petition

advent

Well done Grebe.

Please tell everyone you know to sign it too!

Grebe

advent wrote: »

Well done Grebe.

Please tell everyone you know to sign it too![

No problem, I will pass the word on.:D

Daisy_Bell

cheepnis wrote: »

It's more of a protest for me. If I choose not to decide, I've still made a choice. I might vote Labour again, if they ever come back.
I heard the perfect description the other day - that "Labour and Tory are just two cheeks of the same @rse"

I wish more people would make the effort to spoil their vote - if only to express dissatisfaction.
Much better than abstaining, or waving two fingers down the pub.

Worked in Local Government for 11 years, I know what a self-serving bunch politicians can be.
NONE OF THE ABOVE - gets my vote again - sorry.

Yes I appreciate what you're trying to say, and I do agree with your sentiments up to a point, but a lot of folk fall into this trap out of sheer frustration. Let's say that everyone wasted their vote or just didn't vote. What would happen? Labour would get in again - by default! Just because nobody voted against them! This is what is meant by voting 'Tactically'! You do not have to particularly agree with the politics of the party you vote for, it's just to stop the present government getting in again or getting in again with as big a majority. If they did get in again, but with only a tiny majority, they'd have a much harder time getting the more unpopular stuff through Parliament! :rolleyes:

DavyBoy_2

I'm better off for the new system, the wife is worse off, but combined, we're still better off.... so of course I'd agree to the abolition of the 10p tax, and a reduction in the 22p-20p tax...

But the fact is whilst I like the simpler system, I don't agree in the way it was introduced, and the way it penalises the poorest people in the country. Hats off the LABOUR government for introducing a very CONSERVATIVE style tax system? Who do we have running the country, the Sheriff of Nottingham?

And this of course finally introduced when the country slips into credit crisis along with fuel crisis, which undoubtably is affecting the poorest people the most!

Gallovidian

piloti wrote: »

There was a time when there were only three classes of people : Upper Middle and workling class.
This Gov' [Labour] has created an extra class beneath Working : Dependency Class, ie those who earn nothing / little, therefore contgribute nothing / little but use a disproportionate amount of services, from Social to Health to Education.
Tax Credits [awful new labour vulgarisation] should be earned, not simply given. Earned by doing social work [ie, work for the community] including looking after old people, street cleaning, park cleaning / gardening etc......
Or would that be considered to be impinging on others human right to scrounge.......

Have to say I think that what is happening is that the Labour Govt is consciously
destroying the middle classes, especially the lower middle classes. The rich pay no
tax and are increasingly above the law, the underclass who do not want to work
are living gratis and those of us who slave away in the middle, work and obey the
law, are being squeezed, being bled dry.

The rich are becoming, have become, a part of an international jet set "elite" and
the rest of us are destined to become part of the international third world labour
pool. They will fly over us in their LearJets and we will be crammed into public
transport as our cars, and our freedom to travel, are taken away.