CSA when a father is not listed on a birth certificate?

Gazella77

I don't think he will go through court. I guess it'd be too much hassle for him and he's not the brightest one either. So I am not worried about it. Also he'd have to put money to do it so I don't think he'd bother.

I guess I have to leave things as they are at the moment and see what happens. If he stops paying altogether or finishes studies and gets a better job then it might be worth pursuing.

Loopy_Girl

I think you are doing the right thing. Accept the £50 that he is offering and then once he has finished his studies and has a job then you can ask for more and if he starts to muck you around then you can involve the CSA - whether his name is on the certificate or not.

Good luck

kelloggs36

Gazella77 wrote: »

Gosh, thanks a lot for all your replies. I was not aware that the case would be assessed as nil, but yes he is a full-time student so I guess there is no sense in pursuing now. Maybe in a year when he graduates.

About the passport - as I don't mean British passport as both of us are not British and I want my baby to have my nationality, which is EU (no restrictions in traveling, etc), rather than his I was told that if he was on the birth certificate he's have to come with me to the consulate and sign the permission. And then, I would have to have a written permission from him every time I want to leave the UK with my baby. So I decided not to put him on it.

The only thing is that I will struggle financially and probably will end up going in debt, which I fear the most. I bought my flat only a 1.5 ago and I have a massive mortgage :-( so £50 from him is just a drop in the ocean. But then I see from your replies it's not worth pursuing anything more.

Thanks a lot, I'm grateful for your quick responses.

BUT if he also earns more than £100 per week, you can get him assessed and it won't be nil then.

Gazella77

Yes, he does work full time (and I know it's around £800 monthly). The problem is he's got a massive student loan, has to pay his rent £250/monthly and also has an older son back in his country and I think he does send some money to him as well. Do CSA take into account the student loan or not?

mute_posting

AFAIK my name doesn't appear on the birth certificate, as I remember it would have been illegal at the time as I would have had to have been present for it to be added or given my permission (mother said she wanted nothing from me) - that said, I've never actually checked that the mother didn't take someone to pretend to be me! Not sure if it is still the case?

Basically it doesn't matter if Micky Mouse is named on the certificate - if you give the fathers name to the CSA they will chase that person (although they may chase Mikey first if they think he is more likely to pay up!)

kelloggs36

Gazella77 wrote: »

Yes, he does work full time (and I know it's around £800 monthly). The problem is he's got a massive student loan, has to pay his rent £250/monthly and also has an older son back in his country and I think he does send some money to him as well. Do CSA take into account the student loan or not?

How is he a student and works full-time? Either way, you can ask for him to be assessed on his income.

His student loan is not taken into account at all.

Gazella77

Kelloggs, that's the reality nowadays, many students, especially foreign students do work and study full time. I am also surprised but people seem to cope with it fine. His only 2 days off (before he had only 1) are when he goes to the uni (contact hours nowadyas are somewhere around 8!) and then he works Wed-Sun 2pm-10pm, which gives him full 40hrs.

Loopy_Girl

mute_posting wrote: »

AFAIK my name doesn't appear on the birth certificate, as I remember it would have been illegal at the time as I would have had to have been present for it to be added or given my permission (mother said she wanted nothing from me) - that said, I've never actually checked that the mother didn't take someone to pretend to be me! Not sure if it is still the case?

Basically it doesn't matter if Micky Mouse is named on the certificate - if you give the fathers name to the CSA they will chase that person (although they may chase Mikey first if they think he is more likely to pay up!)

Funnily enough I would think that a new mother would have other things on her mind than getting someone to impersonate you....if you are curious then why don't you check?:rolleyes:

And they will enquire with a potential NRP...and a DNA test can get done if there is any dispute which of course is either 99.9% positive or 100% negative so no room for arguing there methinks

kelloggs36

Gazella77 wrote: »

Kelloggs, that's the reality nowadays, many students, especially foreign students do work and study full time. I am also surprised but people seem to cope with it fine. His only 2 days off (before he had only 1) are when he goes to the uni (contact hours nowadyas are somewhere around 8!) and then he works Wed-Sun 2pm-10pm, which gives him full 40hrs.

In which case, the PWC can apply for a Variation that the NRP earns more than £100 per week as a student, which will be assessed.

Helen819

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Yes that's all true....it's up to you really.

I was lucky (and I use that term in the loosest way!!) as my child was born in 2001. Father denied paternity (stalling CSA tactic) and when I got the letter confirming it I was able to apply again to the courts and get her a new birth certificate with the father's name filled in as I didn't want there to be a blank space. Had it been 2003 onwards then I think I would have thought more carefully about it because he would automatically have got a PRO.


A father can apply to the court to gain parental responsibility. In considering an application from a father, the court will take the following into account:

• the degree of commitment shown by the father to his child
• the degree of attachment between father and child
• the father's reasons for applying for the order

The court will then decide to accept or reject the application based on what it believes is in the child's best interest.

The mother's input would also be taken heavily into consideration.

PLease can you clarify something for me;the father of my son also denied paternity,he also had to have dna testing which i recieved the results.Does this mean i can apply to the courts to have his name put on my sons birth cert,and if so can this be done now.My son is 6 now though,would that make a difference.He has never wanted to see him or should i say wont see him.Why is it that if it was the other way round and i was stopping him from seeing him that he can take me to court,but because he decides he wont,there not a thing i can do.This isnt fair.