Is the TV Licence fee worth it? Poll results/discussion

moggylover

TNG wrote: »

sorry but this is getting really tiresome.

r-e-a-d t-h-e p-o-s-t



that IS the last - care to answer my question?

Yeah but TNG - he doesn't understand what exponentially means ! lol:T

freder_2

The BBC is always quoting a so-called survey that supposedly shows that the majority of people in this country want to pay the licence fee

When you consider that thousands of people work for the BBC and assume that some have taken part in this FORUM POLL. The result here was 24% FOR paying the licence fee and a massive 76% AGAINST paying the fee.

I have never met anybody that I have asked who wants to pay the licence fee. (but then I have not met anyone who works for the BBC)

My question is : Who in telling a pack of lies over this so-called survey OR was the survey held in the BBC restaurant?

freder_2

What if a new and comprehensive survey showed quite clearly, as I believe it would, that the vast majority of the British public do not want to pay the licence fee. Would (seeing as most BBC spokespersons seem to use the wierd results of a so-called survey showing that the public do want to pay as a justification for perpetuating the charge) would then a vote against paying the fee be reason enough to end the charge?

freder_2

Then do bring on the vote.....................whether there should be a vote for BBC employees though, I am not sure

enots

I would just like to add to this discussion

Whilst I don't mind paying a license fee for the BBC, I don't agree that it is good value for money.

Being on a low income I can't afford to pay for both sky and the license fee. So I'm limited to watching 4 channels due to where I live.

The BBC does produce some good programs and news coverage, but I don't particularly want to watch these same programs 3 times a week.

The BBC operates 8 channels. All well and good but most of what is on them seems to be repeats. There also seems be a large amount of what BBC supporters call dross such as game shows.

Lets see what great programing we have tonight.

BBC1

18:40 Eurovision Your Country Needs You - X-factor style show (ITV)

17:45 National Lottery: In It To Win IT - General game show (Similar can be found on any channel)

8:35 Casualty - Nothing special

21:25 Outake TV (Similar can be found on multiple channels)

21:55 BBC News - Good News coverage, but they do have a 24 hour news channel.

BBC2

18:30 - What the Victorians Did For US - Oh look it's a repeat, just filling space.

18:40 Coast - Another space filling repeat.

19:00 Victorian Farm - Another Repeat

20:00 Dads Army - Good but probably being shown elsewhere as well

20:30 A History of Scotland - I'm sure I've already watched this. Oh look it's a repeat.

21:20 Three Men In More Than One Boat - I'm getting a sense of Deja-vu here. Oh no sorry it's a repeat

22:30 QI - I'm sure I watched this last night. Oh look it's a repeat.

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That isn't just an isolated incident. I've just looked at the BBC 3 & 4 Listings as well and they seem to be full of repeats as well.

So what i would like to see is the license fee halved and the number of channels reduced. Why not stick with BBC 1 & 2 filled with original and public broadcast material, as they obviously don't have enough material to fill all these channels.

If they want to continue charging £139 why not include broadband for each household, so that they can use bbc iplayer to watch programs they have missed.

A reduced license fee would enable people to get the unbiased news broadcasts and then choose what style of general entertainment channels that they want to watch, from another source.

Paul

mymatebob

enots wrote: »

I would just like to add to this discussion

Whilst I don't mind paying a license fee for the BBC, I don't agree that it is good value for money.

Being on a low income I can't afford to pay for both sky and the license fee. So I'm limited to watching 4 channels due to where I live.

The BBC does produce some good programs and news coverage, but I don't particularly want to watch these same programs 3 times a week.

The BBC operates 8 channels. All well and good but most of what is on them seems to be repeats. There also seems be a large amount of what BBC supporters call dross such as game shows.

Lets see what great programing we have tonight.

BBC1

18:40 Eurovision Your Country Needs You - X-factor style show (ITV)

17:45 National Lottery: In It To Win IT - General game show (Similar can be found on any channel)

8:35 Casualty - Nothing special

21:25 Outake TV (Similar can be found on multiple channels)

21:55 BBC News - Good News coverage, but they do have a 24 hour news channel.

BBC2

18:30 - What the Victorians Did For US - Oh look it's a repeat, just filling space.

18:40 Coast - Another space filling repeat.

19:00 Victorian Farm - Another Repeat

20:00 Dads Army - Good but probably being shown elsewhere as well

20:30 A History of Scotland - I'm sure I've already watched this. Oh look it's a repeat.

21:20 Three Men In More Than One Boat - I'm getting a sense of Deja-vu here. Oh no sorry it's a repeat

22:30 QI - I'm sure I watched this last night. Oh look it's a repeat.

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That isn't just an isolated incident. I've just looked at the BBC 3 & 4 Listings as well and they seem to be full of repeats as well.

So what i would like to see is the license fee halved and the number of channels reduced. Why not stick with BBC 1 & 2 filled with original and public broadcast material, as they obviously don't have enough material to fill all these channels.

If they want to continue charging £139 why not include broadband for each household, so that they can use bbc iplayer to watch programs they have missed.

A reduced license fee would enable people to get the unbiased news broadcasts and then choose what style of general entertainment channels that they want to watch, from another source.

Paul

The BBC operates 8 channels. And some radio channels and some internet content;)

PS I think currently it is running 9 channels in the UK

Dan29

mymatebob wrote: »

The BBC operates 8 channels. And some radio channels and some internet content;)

PS I think currently it is running 9 channels in the UK

Yep 9 tv channels plus interactive services, 10 radio networks, 40 local radio stations in England and 6 in the other nations, plus one of the world's top 50 websites

enots

I stand corrected the BBC have 9 TV Channels. 9 Channels where you can watch the same programs repeated over and over.

They may also have 10 radio networks, 40 local radio stations and some internet content, which isn't anything special. But as far as I'm aware you don't need a license for any of it.

The TV license is for watching TV only. From the TV licensing Site:

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You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV. It makes no difference what equipment you use - whether it’s a laptop, PC, mobile phone, digital box, DVD recorder or a TV set - you still need a licence.

You do not need a TV Licence to view video clips on the internet, as long as what you are viewing is not being shown on TV at the same time as you are viewing it.

If you use a digital box with a hi-fi system, or another device that can only be used to produce sounds and can't display TV programmes, and you don't install or use any other TV receiving equipment, you don't need a TV Licence.

Do I need a TV Licence to listen to the radio?


No. You do not need a TV Licence to listen to the radio.

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So as far as I'm concerned The TV Licence is for viewing TV. If the BBC wish to provide more, then they should generate their own funds.
As I say I have no problem with a license fee. It's just the cost. Especially to watch repeats.

Id much rather spend the money on Tiscali TV. For £20 a month you can get over 70 digital TV and radio channels including Sky1, FX, Sky Sports News, Paramount Comedy. 350 On demand programmes. Telephone line rental. Free calls and broad band.
Take the cost of your telephone line rental & broadband off the cost of the £20 and I feel it is far better value than the bbc. They also have internet content.

Dan29

enots wrote: »

They may also have 10 radio networks, 40 local radio stations and some internet content, which isn't anything special. But as far as I'm aware you don't need a license for any of it.

No you don't need a TV Licence other than for watching or recording live television, but the licence fee pays for all of those services, not just the tv channels.

enots wrote: »

Id much rather spend the money on Tiscali TV. For £20 a month you can get over 70 digital TV and radio channels including Sky1, FX, Sky Sports News, Paramount Comedy. 350 On demand programmes. Telephone line rental. Free calls and broad band. Take the cost of your telephone line rental & broadband off the cost of the £20 and I feel it is far better value than the bbc. They also have internet content.

I don't think this argument makes much sense. The licence fee pays for the BBC to make programmes, whereas advertising revenue pays for Sky 1 to make programmes. Whether you then pay to have an aerial fitted to your house or pay a subscription to a cable tv company to receive those programmes is a separate issue.

enots

I don't think this argument makes much sense. The licence fee pays for the BBC to make programmes, whereas advertising revenue pays for Sky 1 to make programmes. Whether you then pay to have an aerial fitted to your house or pay a subscription to a cable tv company to receive those programmes is a separate issue.

What I'm trying to say is, I don't see the BBC as value for money. If it is such good value why won't they scramble their service when the digital switchover comes into play? If it is such good value then they won't loose any income as everyone will rush to pay their subscriptions as usual.

They may provide a lot of channels but only have enough content to fill 2 judging by all the repeats. Why not reduce the license fee and provide quality programs.