unfinished HIP

bluestu

I like the way everyone is saying 'oh we never bothered looking at the HIP'

When 'as will inevitably happen' the government start charging council tax on the energy performance banding of property (it has happened to vehicles already) i wonder if every one will then say 'its not fair, how was i supposed to know my house i bought isn't energy efficient'

the HIP is basically the vehicle for ensuring every home is energy rated, along with the introduction of EPC's for rental properties in october.

Like it or lump it this is legislation that we have signed up to and will be pushed through. Give it 5 years when the majority of dwellings have been energy assessed and wait for your tax bills to change!

chriserenity

bluestu wrote: »

I like the way everyone is saying 'oh we never bothered looking at the HIP'

When 'as will inevitably happen' the government start charging council tax on the energy performance banding of property (it has happened to vehicles already) i wonder if every one will then say 'its not fair, how was i supposed to know my house i bought isn't energy efficient'

the HIP is basically the vehicle for ensuring every home is energy rated, along with the introduction of EPC's for rental properties in october.

Like it or lump it this is legislation that we have signed up to and will be pushed through. Give it 5 years when the majority of dwellings have been energy assessed and wait for your tax bills to change!

:rotfl:no comment

BobProperty

bluestu wrote: »

I like the way everyone is saying 'oh we never bothered looking at the HIP'

When 'as will inevitably happen' the government start charging council tax on the energy performance banding of property (it has happened to vehicles already) i wonder if every one will then say 'its not fair, how was i supposed to know my house i bought isn't energy efficient'

the HIP is basically the vehicle for ensuring every home is energy rated, along with the introduction of EPC's for rental properties in october.

Like it or lump it this is legislation that we have signed up to and will be pushed through. Give it 5 years when the majority of dwellings have been energy assessed and wait for your tax bills to change!

What utter bollards. It will take about 20 years before most houses have changed hands and therefore need an EPC. Also please tell me what this "legislation that we have signed up to" is, because if you are talking about EPCs there isn't anything in there about council tax. Where's our pet [STRIKE]tiger charm salesperson[/STRIKE] HIP expert tonight?

BobProperty

They beat me to it, but their reply was shorter.

chriserenity

BobProperty wrote: »

What utter bollards. It will take about 20 years before most houses have changed hands and therefore need an EPC. Also please tell me what this "legislation that we have signed up to" is, because if you are talking about EPCs there isn't anything in there about council tax. Where's our pet [strike]tiger charm salesperson[/strike] HIP expert tonight?

I think he means the shift in taxes generally towards taxing carbon that we're starting to go through. There is no current link with council tax, the idea is that as with white goods if you make the information about a property's carbon footprint/energy efficiency rating available at point of marketing then consumers will react and go for efficient properties.

Before you say it yes I know thats not how people buy houses at the moment but you wait 5/10 years when peak oil really kicks in and see how people react when half their household budget goes on the mortgage and the other half goes on natural gas bills - we're not that far off peak gas, or peak nuclear for that matter.

BobProperty

chriserenity wrote: »

I think he means the shift in taxes generally towards taxing carbon that we're starting to go through. There is no current link with council tax, the idea is that as with white goods if you make the information about a property's carbon footprint/energy efficiency rating available at point of marketing then consumers will react and go for efficient properties.

I understand what you are getting at but my point is this has to be at an individual property level and if you are only doing EPC on most properties when they change hands it will take 20 years or so before a large majority are on record. Even then, the older ones will most likely be out of date.

chriserenity

BobProperty wrote: »

I understand what you are getting at but my point is this has to be at an individual property level and if you are only doing EPC on most properties when they change hands it will take 20 years or so before a large majority are on record. Even then, the older ones will most likely be out of date.

Oh sure, its a very valid point and actually one of the things the gvmt are consulting on at the moment. E.g. the EPCs landlords will need to get from October are currently slated to have a life of 10 years but with peak oil the cost savings displayed in the EPC will likely be way out of date within 2/3 years depending.

And as you say, all properties won't have them - some properties just arn't rented or sold so they'd need to have a drive to get the remainder done once the majority had EPCs. Thats one possibility. There are a number of ways round it to be honest.
We'll have to see what our elected betters come up with I guess.

country_sport

BobProperty wrote: »

I understand what you are getting at but my point is this has to be at an individual property level and if you are only doing EPC on most properties when they change hands it will take 20 years or so before a large majority are on record. Even then, the older ones will most likely be out of date.[/QUOTE

Wasn't that the same with the council tax?

takoo

Hi

Be aware that if the extension was not taken into account at the last (first) "revaluation" for council tax. it may result in a revaluation for the property by the Valuation Office Agency. If so there may be a rebanding.

I would hope that the HIP could tell you what the council tax effect of the extension might be but I can't recall that it would/should include such a really important matter.

The local VOA may be able to give you an idea.

Good luck

Takoo

BobProperty

country_sport wrote: »

BobProperty wrote: »

I understand what you are getting at but my point is this has to be at an individual property level and if you are only doing EPC on most properties when they change hands it will take 20 years or so before a large majority are on record. Even then, the older ones will most likely be out of date.

Wasn't that the same with the council tax?

No that's my point. With council tax, if you knew the value of one house on the street then all the others of the same type in the street would be about the same value which was all that was needed for Council Tax assessment. (If you want to base a tax on energy efficiency the easy way is to tax the price of the energy, but no we have to have a complex assessment system.) You can't "energy assess" one house in the street and assume all the others are similarly energy efficient.