We'd like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum... Read More »
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
MFM iFunds ETF Commodity Fund sounds good
Options
Comments
-
What are the date ranges for the various graphs? If they're different then you're going to get different graphs.
Just get the Ifund graph up with H&L then add FAIG and AIGC and you will see what i mean. All three have almost identical graphs up to about June 2007 so it cant be a graph time period screw up. But there does seem to be something wrong with H&L software to give different results with 2 fund comparisons rather than three funds comparions
Can you give me any more internet links on FAIG and AGCP ? The dont seem to be on morningstar for example.0 -
Just get the Ifund graph up with H&L then add FAIG and AIGC and you will see what i mean.
Thanks - I already did that. I described the results I got. If these aren't the results you got then maybe you can upload some images to look at.All three have almost identical graphs up to about June 2007 so it cant be a graph time period screw up. But there does seem to be something wrong with H&L software to give different results with 2 fund comparisons rather than three funds comparions.
How are you getting a graph for FAIG 'up to June 2007'? It was only launched in October last year. Are you sure you're not getting a different graph which starts after FAIG launched (Oct '07) thereby removing the history (from Nov '06) where iFunds was underperforming?Can you give me any more internet links on FAIG and AGCP ? The dont seem to be on morningstar for example.
You can get graphs from iii (USD basis)
What's your sudden interest with FAIG? I was really mentioning this as something of consideration for ETF investors who had been examining AIGC.0 -
Thanks - I already did that. I described the results I got. If these aren't the results you got then maybe you can upload some images to look at.
How are you getting a graph for FAIG 'up to June 2007'? It was only launched in October last year. Are you sure you're not getting a different graph which starts after FAIG launched (Oct '07) thereby removing the history (from Nov '06) where iFunds was underperforming?
You can get graphs from iii (USD basis)
What's your sudden interest with FAIG? I was really mentioning this as something of consideration for ETF investors who had been examining AIGC.
I have just been looking at http://www.etfsecurities.com/en/securities/etfs_performance.asp
and if it is true that it returned 30% last year against the Ifunds 20% then it sounds like it would be better than the ifund. I may still be able to phone up H&L tommorow to change my order
The naming of ETFs is confusing with H&L. Can you give me a link to the H&L page for FAIG ?0 -
-
I have just been looking at http://www.etfsecurities.com/en/securities/etfs_performance.asp
and if it is true that it returned 30% last year against the Ifunds 20% then it sounds like it would be better than the ifund. I may still be able to phone up H&L tommorow to change my order
FAIG didn't return 30% last year. It's only existed since Oct '07. The figures they quote are from a back-tested statistical data model before FAIG existed as an investable security. They are also USD based although GBP/USD is currently trading about where it did 12 months ago.0 -
FAIG didn't return 30% last year. It's only existed since Oct '07. The figures they quote are from a back-tested statistical data model before FAIG existed as an investable security. They are also USD based although GBP/USD is currently trading about where it did 12 months ago.
It is strange that you can select a graph on H&L for FAIG if you are looking at a graph for something else but you cant select FAIG on H&L as a general stock search.
Strangely
http://www.h-l.co.uk/shares_and_stock_markets/search.hl?err=alpha&action=security_details&tradebutton=&allstocks=&search_data=etf&submit.x=11&submit.y=6&cmd=begins
lists FAGR but not FAIG
Anyway I need to establish before tommorow morning if the IFund is the best idea as I am willing to change to FAIG or similar if it is clearly a better deal than the Ifund ? What would you do ?
I just established that FAIG and FAGR cant be dealt online with H&L but they would do it on the phone and am not sure if they can be put into a PEP, ISA or SIP
But AIGC can be dealt online and with a PEP, ISA or SIP0 -
and if it is true that it returned 30% last year against the Ifunds 20% then it sounds like it would be better than the ifund
.....last year maybe, but not necessarily this year or next year....of course the year after next year maybe it will again
Past Performance is not a blah blah blah.......:cool:What would you do ?
Probably make up my mind and stick with it.........and not bother second guessing everything !!!!!!!!!'In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments - there are Consequences.'0 -
It is strange that you can select a graph on H&L for FAIG if you are looking at a graph for something else but you cant select FAIG on H&L as a general stock search.
If it something you're interested in you may have to contact HL to add it to their system. That what I ended up doing with my broker when I had problems. Some of these securities are too new.Anyway I need to establish before tommorow morning if the IFund is the best idea as I am willing to change to FAIG or similar if it is clearly a better deal than the Ifund ? What would you do ?
Umm... I can't make your investment decisions for you! However I did want to challenge your assertion that 'the Ifunds has significantly better performance than the passive ETF'.
Basically this is how I see it:
Since about Nov '06 AIGC and iFunds have delivered about equal returns. However iFunds was more probably more volatile (swings of underperformance and outperformance) and charged more. Everything else being equal this would make AIGC a superior investment.
However the data is pretty brief to draw too much conclusion from. I'm sure iFunds could have provided investors with a better service and given back-tested performance of their software model utilising hypothetical ETF commodity indices. Whether iFunds will continue is strong recent run compared to AIGC is anyone's guess.
Personally I prefer the passive investment where available unless there's a compelling reason (backed stastically) to do otherwise. So I'm sticking with ETFS's offerings. The history of iFunds is too short for me to consider it yet.
Like I've said FAIG seems to have superior characteristics to AIGC so this is my personal choice. Even though it was launched only a few month ago the index is backed by many years of statistical data.
Some people will find unit trust based investments (such as iFunds) more convenient than ETFs and I can appreciate that.0
This discussion has been closed.
Confirm your email address to Create Threads and Reply

Categories
- All Categories
- 351.2K Banking & Borrowing
- 253.2K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
- 453.7K Spending & Discounts
- 244.2K Work, Benefits & Business
- 599.3K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
- 177K Life & Family
- 257.6K Travel & Transport
- 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
- 16.2K Discuss & Feedback
- 37.6K Read-Only Boards