Pie Mash and Liquor

Shoey1610

Chrisca50 wrote: »

Thanks for the link Dronid - awwwwww the Deptford one isn't there anymore

Used to live near to that one, mmmmmm was lovely. My mum still lives in Deptford but I don't go down the high street anymore. I wonder how long it has been closed?

Oooh that was our one too!!! Been closed a while according to my Nan.

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Chrisca50 wrote: »

Thanks for the link Dronid - awwwwww the Deptford one isn't there anymore

Used to live near to that one, mmmmmm was lovely. My mum still lives in Deptford but I don't go down the high street anymore. I wonder how long it has been closed?

I too lived near to Deptford years ago and the High Street was really good .Last time I went to the market I had my car window broken and my stereo swiped No more trips down the High Steet for me after that .My brother played at Lady Florence Hall with his skiffle group back in the 1950s when the Lewisham rail crash happened, and they raised over £100 in one night ,a lot of cash in those days . I can remember a pub called I think it was The Ship that used to have great salt beef sandwiches back in 1960.
It's all changed now though and the High Street has gone downhill. My mum used to go to Paynes /Pines at St Johns in Loapit Vale for school dresses. And Jones & Higgins in Peckham for curtain material,all long gone now

Chrisca50

What a coincidence JackieO, I lived in Deptford and now live in North Kent like you!!!!

I must admit I go to visit my mum once a fortnight or so and used to go down the high street for a wander, but it has gone downhill and I never go down there now, hence why I didn't know that Manzes had closed down. Lots of new posh flats have been built along the route to Greenwich but Deptford is definitely a dodgy place to live. My mum is housebound now and in some ways am glad that she doesnt have to go out anymore as she is quite frail.

Kentish_Maid_2

Just had to post when I read this thread. My great aunt Rose married a Manze and my Grandad worked in the Woolwich shop ( I think - would need to clarify that with my mum, not sure now if it might have been the Deptford one as that is where they come from).

My earliest memory as a child is of the eels lying in large metal drawers at the rear of the shop. :eek: Can't stand the things but lurve Pie, Mash and Liquor - food of the gods. Am very proud of my Pie and Mash heritage :T

Chrisca50

Talking about eels, I have just remembered that when I was a little girl (many, many moons ago) my mum taking me in Manzes in Deptford and going to the back of the shop to buy some eels, they brought them out and started cutting them up while they were still alive - can you imagine doing that now, there would be hell to pay!!!!:eek:

Stephen_Leak

My Dad was a Cockney. After reading this, I quite fancy discovering my gastronomic heritage. I've done a quick bit of research, and it is a minced beef (no onion) pie, some mashed potato (no butter or milk) around the side of the plate, and the above parsley "liquor".

What should you drink with it? A mug of "Rosie Lee" or a glass of "elephant's ear"? And should this be "apple fritter", "Forsythe Saga" or "salmon and trout"?

Seakay

Thank you all so much for this information - I had always assumed that the pies refered to in pie and liquor or pie and mash were eel pies (I've only heard of and never tried).
I've checked out the website as well and am now a bit confused by the possibility of hot sarsaparilla - isn't sarsaparilla a fizzy drink?

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Chrisca50 wrote: »

What a coincidence JackieO, I lived in Deptford and now live in North Kent like you!!!!

I must admit I go to visit my mum once a fortnight or so and used to go down the high street for a wander, but it has gone downhill and I never go down there now, hence why I didn't know that Manzes had closed down. Lots of new posh flats have been built along the route to Greenwich but Deptford is definitely a dodgy place to live. My mum is housebound now and in some ways am glad that she doesnt have to go out anymore as she is quite frail.

Yes, the days of a wander around the markets in Deptford are long gone .
H&S I think if they had their way would close all of the markets down if they could .Lewisham Market used to be great and there was a butchers called Gorstons that had meat hanging outside all weathers when I was a kid, and we never seemed to go down with tummy bugs at all.
At 4.00p.m. on a Saturday afternoon the stock was almost all sold off, and if anything was left there was always a crowd of women waiting to see the stuff sold at a knock-down price.You almost always got some sausages with your joint thrown if for free.Bones to make a soup were only a few coppers .There were few if any fridges and certainly no freezers in the 1950s so food was bought on the day, or the day before for freshness.
Behind the Prince of Wales cinema in Lewisham was another tiny market and rthe fishmonger 'Alf' was the best in Lewisham. His fish were almost jumping on the slab and my Mum always bought from him.Thigs were eaten as fresh as possible in those days .Milk was kept cool in a bucket of cold water in the larder and a marble slab in there kept the butter cool as well.The only wrapping paper was greaseproof paper and no plastic whatsoever.paper carrier bags took your food home and you had to buy them my Mum had a net string bag for her shopping.Brilliant, as it held lots of stuff and didn't weigh much. Biscuits were bought by the half a lb from a tin in Woollies, and put into a paper bag .All the bags were used again as firelighters even tea was the loose leaf stuff that went onto the flower beds afterwards I feel sure that the amount of wastage & packing in the supermarkets could easily be cut if they tried a bit harder .Recycling isn't a new fad it's been going on for years

Kentish_Maid_2

Jackie O - lovely post. Am wondering if you are a similar age to my mum - don't want to insult you:D You are probably younger than she is.

She lived in Deptford/Greenwich as a child and her aunts lived in Lewisham so she knew it well. I remember visiting them in their Lewisham flat when I was young - they were spinsters and the lovliest ladies. I always had lemonade which for some reason they would always put a spoon of sugar in it - which made it flat!!

Mum (and I) now live in West Kent. Funny how the Londoners migrate this way!!

My grandad would never give away the secret of liquor - not just parsley sauce apparently.

hartcjhart

WOW when I posted this I did not realise how many memories it would spark,keep on with the stories they make a lovelly read of times gone bye