Please Help Child Support Agency Problem (CSA) Quite Long Sorry

pandas66

I'm going to assume so much here, Calley, you say you don't work so how do you get a protected income? The csa do only look at his income and ex wife, I have filled out all the forms numerous times and when I had a live in partner it all had to be documented but it didn't get taken into consideration. It did show another anomaley (sp) that protected income for rent is taken wholey and wasn't divided for 2 adults that lived in ex hubands house. The rent there was being paid by housing benefit but that didn't cross over in the system either. I'm afraid the b/f is entitled to his money same as you but you don't work so you won't have a protected income. Now I'll be shot down in flames. I'm not on ex's side, I'm fed up tho of wondering where my protected income is, fed up of receiving a pitance (half of living costs would be sufficent) TOWARDS keeping my kids.

shykins

just heard from the CSA today and my exes maintenance payments have been reduced from £22 to £5 a week (not that he has paid anything at all )

apparently he earns less then £100 a week .. not bad really for someone with a £100,000 mortgage, a van AND a car is it???

if i just knew how he did all that on such little money i could do the same

<shrug>

StockportGerbil

Folks :-
As one of the "feckless young men" mentioned earlier (yeh right...) who tries to work with the CSA as best I can I find they are organisationally hopeless and blame everything on the computer. At present I am in discussion with the CSA regarding £700 of overpayments to my ex.

I have just had a phone call from the Clerical Case Team asking me to send a copy of all the correspondance over the past year and send it recorded delivery as that's the only way to guarantee it's delivery to the right person!
Regards
Kevin

pandas66

Absolute sympathies for you, I have creative accounting anguish too. Only now my ex has fled the country. Never mind, I have my protected income to fall back on and the state system. Or should I repeatedly do more than 40 hours average now and leave the kids to their own devices? So many options.

pandas66

StockportGerbil wrote:

Folks :-
As one of the "feckless young men" mentioned earlier (yeh right...) who tries to work with the CSA as best I can I find they are organisationally hopeless and blame everything on the computer. At present I am in discussion with the CSA regarding £700 of overpayments to my ex.

I have just had a phone call from the Clerical Case Team asking me to send a copy of all the correspondance over the past year and send it recorded delivery as that's the only way to guarantee it's delivery to the right person!
Regards
Kevin

I applauld that you have contributed correctly to the upkeep of your child/children. In there own way they don't half get stick here (csa)

calleyw

pandas66 wrote:

I'm going to assume so much here, Calley, you say you don't work so how do you get a protected income? The csa do only look at his income and ex wife, I have filled out all the forms numerous times and when I had a live in partner it all had to be documented but it didn't get taken into consideration. It did show another anomaley (sp) that protected income for rent is taken wholey and wasn't divided for 2 adults that lived in ex hubands house. The rent there was being paid by housing benefit but that didn't cross over in the system either. I'm afraid the b/f is entitled to his money same as you but you don't work so you won't have a protected income. Now I'll be shot down in flames. I'm not on ex's side, I'm fed up tho of wondering where my protected income is, fed up of receiving a pitance (half of living costs would be sufficent) TOWARDS keeping my kids.

Ummmmmmmmmmm you have totally confused me where did I say I get a protected income. I don't my husband does.

I can't see why my wages need to enter in to the sum of the CSA at all they are not my children they are my husbands. Just like the PWC's new partners wages are not taken in to the sum.

But we have been told by the CSA that my details are needed to makes sure there is adquate household protected income. Does not cut it for me. As we are now left with £40 a month to cover all luxuries for two people after all the bills and these are mortgage, pension, electric, gas,food and husband's fuel bill to get the work everday when all he gets is £5 a week allowance for fuel because according to the csa he can drive in a straight line to work.

So where is my husbands me money, no where. The protected income is laughable even for the NRP. As it does not cover for food etc. And only half the council tax is taken in to consideration when he is paying the full amount.

He wants to pay but it has to be fair, his ex gets tax credits and child benefit. Because husband is earning a few thousand more than WTC threshold he gets stuffed for csa payments.

As far as I was aware the CSA was about halves. Say it costs £100 a week for a childs needs. Then it is simple £50 a week each unless it causes hardship.


How hard is that. Mind you it does make me wonder why some men ever have kids. And if they where always that tight.

Yours

Calley

pandas66

calleyw wrote:

Ummmmmmmmmmm you have totally confused me where did I say I get a protected income. I don't my husband does.

He wants to pay but it has to be fair, his ex gets tax credits and child benefit. Because husband is earning a few thousand more than WTC threshold he gets stuffed for csa payments.

As far as I was aware the CSA was about halves. Say it costs £100 a week for a childs needs. Then it is simple £50 a week each unless it causes hardship.


How hard is that. Mind you it does make me wonder why some men ever have kids. And if they where always that tight.

Yours

Calley

Your right you don't say you have an income but I'm not sure if you want a subsidy/allowance for yourself to be taken into consideration. His protected income covers his outgoings not yours. Maybe you would have more money at the end of the month if you did have an income.That sounds awful, but I mean do the kids come 1st out of hubbys pay or do you? They were here 1st (another presumption) 40 pounds certainly isn't a lot and thats why I work fulltime and provide for me and 2 growing boys. My protected income must be what I find in pockets as I go through the washing.
But one matter I will agree on is why men have children only to be for want of a better description useless.
And don't make me laugh about the csa being about half's.

Tabbykatt

pandas66 wrote:

But one matter I will agree on is why men have children only to be for want of a better description useless.
And don't make me laugh about the csa being about half's.

With you there all the way Pandas66

I think the thing that frustrates me, is how payments are sorted out and that there does not seem any provision for revising them. 3 years ago when my ex-husbands payments were worked out he was earning £12k per annum, (he works for HM Forces and so the wage is low but the living expenses are minimal, hence he has a bigger disposable income). He was also looking after the children almost every weekend and this was taken into consideration for his payments so he only has to pay £40 per week for 2 children! Since this time however everything has changed, he hardly visits the chidren and his wages have gone up considerably with promotion etc. But he still only has to pay £40 p/w!! At the moment his payments go straight to the Government, but as from December I will be leaving the benefit system (hoorah!!), and my then to be husband will be supporting us, and our new baby that will be arriving in February. Why should we be scrimping and saving every last penny so that the children can have new shoes and school uniform, while my ex-husband spends all his money on nights out, drinking and smoking, and the latest gadgets/mobiles/music etc? On the rare occasions I do see him he is always wearing new clothes and sporting an ipod/3G mobile etc, I cannot even remember the last time I bought clothes from anywhere other than a charity shop?
It would not be so bad if he were to send the children token gestures in the post, off his own back, but even for my daughters 5th birthday present he sent a cheap case with some crayons in which broke almost as soon as she touched it. It breaks my heart when I have to try and explain to a 5 and 3 yr old why 'Daddy hasn't phoned this week', or why he has not seen them in 4 months.
If these fathers who try and demand parental responsibilty and then become less than a fair-weather father were to see how much hurt and pain they inflict on small children, hopefully it would change their attitude. But then again maybe it wouldn't!

pandas66

Makes me mad all this talk of shared parenting, in my divorce it says joint. Well its not joint/shared/halfed or sevenths. I only want a reasonable amount, show me justification that he can have his salary protected and I'll show you the new blazer my son needs at 50 pounds. Show me that he had a meal and a drink or worse a night out and I'll show you the kids haven't had a day out with him or the spends he promised.
But theres one phrase that gets me madder than mad and thats when absent parent is good and paying towards their keep that its implied he's paying for all other kids, the phrase being 'gets stiffed'.
Its mainly said by other halfs of parents without care, don't know the real 'running costs' to keep kids and have usually seen them have something they are jealous of.
Take half their take home pay, that'll sort them out hahahaha. My kids get more than half of mine.
O and my time and wisdom...................and love.

horza

Tabbykatt wrote:

With you there all the way Pandas66

I think the thing that frustrates me, is how payments are sorted out and that there does not seem any provision for revising them. 3 years ago when my ex-husbands payments were worked out he was earning £12k per annum, (he works for HM Forces and so the wage is low but the living expenses are minimal, hence he has a bigger disposable income). He was also looking after the children almost every weekend and this was taken into consideration for his payments so he only has to pay £40 per week for 2 children! Since this time however everything has changed, he hardly visits the chidren and his wages have gone up considerably with promotion etc. !

If the shared care has changed then apply to the CSA for a change of circumstance, the wages would be more difficult to prove as it is supposedly up to him to tell the CSA of any income changes. But the shared care should be relatively easy to get amended. Each night per week is worth 1/7th of the assessment under the new rules. Not sure about the old rules but it is definitely worth taking the time to get it changed.