Help installing ceiling fan/light with red blue brown and green wires.

Pennylane

Ormus - I stand corrected on that then.
The thing is we all think we are reasonably bright I guess and we assume because we know something (however basic) that everyone else does too. Like turning off at the mains! Trust me, a lot of people don't and some people don't even read instructions.

Chouan

I've got a similar problem that needs help, please.
Similarly, its a fan+light. There are 3 cables coming from the ceiling, I've identified the live black one, which I've connected to the live connector in a block in the light/fan which says live (brown) and goes to the fan fitting. the red wires are connected together, as advised above, and the other 2 black wires have gone to the neutral connector of the block. This leaves the light live red connector empty. this means that the fan works but not the light.
If I put the red banded black wire into the light connector, it simply means that the light switch now operates the fan.
By putting the red live wire from the ceiling into the brown connector and the red banded black wire into the live red "light" connector, nothing happens.
When I put the red live wire from the ceiling into the live red "light" connector, and the red banded black wire into the brown live connector, I get the light to work, but no fan.
And, the landing light no longer works! I've subsequently found.

Any suggestions?
Thanks.

cicobuff

Chouan wrote: »

I've got a similar problem that needs help, please.
Similarly, its a fan+light. There are 3 cables coming from the ceiling, I've identified the live black one, which I've connected to the live connector in a block in the light/fan which says live (brown) and goes to the fan fitting. the red wires are connected together, as advised above, and the other 2 black wires have gone to the neutral connector of the block. This leaves the light live red connector empty. this means that the fan works but not the light.
If I put the red banded black wire into the light connector, it simply means that the light switch now operates the fan.
By putting the red live wire from the ceiling into the brown connector and the red banded black wire into the live red "light" connector, nothing happens.
When I put the red live wire from the ceiling into the live red "light" connector, and the red banded black wire into the brown live connector, I get the light to work, but no fan.
And, the landing light no longer works! I've subsequently found.

Any suggestions?
Thanks.

Only just read this post after installing a ceiling fan on the landing myself. The way I got mine to work with my ring circuit was to utilise a terminal block connector. Using Four connectors isolate the wires as following from your circuit in the ceiling, Bunch together all your earth Yellow and green wiring, Bunch together all your neutral Black wires, insert your switched live (Red Banded Black Wire) and lastly Bunch together all your Red Live wires.

So from the Ceiling you will have Earth (Yellow/Green), Neutral (Black), Switched Live (Black With red band) and Live (Red).

Now the other side of the terminal block attach obviously Earth to Earth (Yellow/Green), Blue Neutral Wire to the Neutral (Black), combine BOTH the Red and the Brown Wires and attach these to the Switched Live (Black with red band) and thats it, this side of the terminal block has NO wires attached to the neatly bunched Live wires attached to the other side of the terminal block and that helps keep the ring circuit live continuity and supplies the switched live feed to the fan AND lights by combining both the red and brown feeds together connected to the switched live which should be operational from the mains switch.

Mutton_Geoff

The other very important point to note is that the fan will be quite heavy compared to the old light fitting, so do make sure it's fixed securely to the ceiling, the old screw holes might not be strong enough if they are just into plaster. You need to fix to the joists or a strong batten else it will come tumbling down.

I'd wire it so the light was switched from the wall as usual and the fan on the permanent live to be controlled by the pull cord on the unit that way you can still have it cooling during the day without wasting electricity on the lamp.

PS jams002 - get out of here :mad:

latecomer

Its a 6 month old thread btw

Mutton_Geoff

Its a 6 month old thread btw

!!!!!!! I've answered an old post again. It's that spamming idiot jams002s fault :mad:

xyzou

New to this forum business, hope it's ok to post a query here.

I want to replace a hall ceiling light in my hall which is connected to three switches, one for the hall, one for the landing and one for outside front door.

The old light works ok as under

old light ceiling
earth connect earth
brown ,, yellow
blue ,, 2 x black & a blue joined
3 reds joned


However the new halogen ceiling light has a "transformer" in it and has 6 brown wires coming out of the centre of the transformer and a blue from the side. It also has a brown and blue, (a white flex) apparrently coming from the transformer.


Duplicating the old lighting wiring, (although capping off the earth) results in all the other lights working but not the hall. I'm using one brown from the centre of the transformer and the blue.

Should i give up and get someone in, it's very frustrating!!

keystone

I want to replace a hall ceiling light in my hall which is connected to three switches, one for the hall, one for the landing and one for outside front door.

I think you mean thats its wired into a three way switch plate, one switch controls the outside light independently of the other two, one controls the hallway light and the third is a two way switch with upstairs for the landing light. Is that correct?

old light ceiling
earth connect earth
brown ,, yellow
blue ,, 2 x black & a blue joined
3 reds joned

Problem is you don't identify which of these conductors is in which cable and where they go to. That being said this doesn't make immediate sense unless I'm being thick. I would expect a cable containing red yellow and blue conductors to be for a two way switch and the hall is one way (or is it?)

Have you tried using the brown and blue conductors in the flex connected to the transformer rather than any of the others and just connecting them as the old light was connected?

What do the wiring instuctions say that came with the new light?

Oh and BTW a new thread would probably have made more sense rather than adding to an old one but you're forgiven this once.

Cheers

ormus

i suspect the blue/brown is the 240v input and the browns are the lives for a 6 way lamp distribution.
but without seeing it, im very loath to add anything further.

i would be testing it with a multimeter first.

xyzou

Thanks for the replies

re The switch, in the hall there is one plate, with 3 switches one each for the hall, landing and outside, (there is a further switch upstairs on the landing). I just had the plate off the wall in the hall and a red and yellow are connected to the hall switch, (L2).

The new light instructions say that the Blue(N) in the light fitting should be connected to neutral and Brown (L) to switched Live.

Yes i did try the blue and brown (encased in white) coming from the transformer, no joy at all.

What is infuriating is why does the old light work, connecting it's brown and blue to the ceiling yellow and the joined 2 blacks and blue yet the new one doesn't.:mad:

Didn't want to resort to a spark, but fear i might have to!!