CD copy protection will turn me into a pirate

vtah236

That darn EMI - I've bought, quite legitimately, a new CD by Turin Brakes to listen to in my car, on my home stereo, and on my lovely new 40th birthday present, a Sony MP3 player. But... aaarrggh!!! the CD is copy protected! How dare they! I can't "rip" it to listen on my MP3. Instead, and here's the infuriating rip-off, I must BUY IT AGAIN as a legal download!

I don't have a particular desire to share it with loads of people (except my wife, but that doesn't count), so I'm not the sort of pirate this wretched software innovation is meant to thwart, but I am driven to surfing the web to find (probably illegal) ways of converting this CD so I can listen to it in the manner I feel I am entitled to.

Any tips, anyone?

sra

vtah236 wrote:

That darn EMI - I've bought, quite legitimately, a new CD by Turin Brakes to listen to in my car, on my home stereo, and on my lovely new 40th birthday present, a Sony MP3 player. But... aaarrggh!!! the CD is copy protected! How dare they! I can't "rip" it to listen on my MP3. Instead, and here's the infuriating rip-off, I must BUY IT AGAIN as a legal download!

I don't have a particular desire to share it with loads of people (except my wife, but that doesn't count), so I'm not the sort of pirate this wretched software innovation is meant to thwart, but I am driven to surfing the web to find (probably illegal) ways of converting this CD so I can listen to it in the manner I feel I am entitled to.

Any tips, anyone?

sorry vtah236

I share your frustration

Discussing how to break copy protection is not allowed here -
but maybe members can think of other legal ways to help you

shrek101

I have had this problem with DVD's too even. Yes it is annoying when you buy stuff and it doenst like to play

wolfman

Take it back and ask for a refund. Try and find a version that doesn't have protection. It should clearly say on the case whether it has protection or not. It's very annoying, I've had problems where the cd won't play in the car before.

boogiemaster

You are allowed to make reasonable copies for yourself as long as you don’t sell them to friends or family.
You have bought a license to listen to the Cd and you should be able to make a copy for the car.

The music industry is trying to stop people from playing Cds on computers and copying them for profit.

***Edited by board Guide***

Hope this help

bbb_uk

boogiemaster wrote:

You are allowed to make reasonable copies for yourself as long as you don’t sell them to friends or family...

As far as i'm aware it was only in the US that you could backup a audio cd providing you have & bought the original audio CD and only you were using the backup copy. I think (but not sure) this is not allowed under UK laws and any backing up is prohibited.

wolfman

boogiemaster wrote:

You are allowed to make reasonable copies for yourself as long as you don’t sell them to friends or family.
You have bought a license to listen to the Cd and you should be able to make a copy for the car.

It's illegal to make copies, even if you have bought the cd. If the cd has protection you are no longer entitled to make a backup. Read up on the EUCD (European version of the DMCA in America). It's illegal to bypass protection. That's why programs such as DVD Decrypter are now illegal. Basically most "fare use" rights have been taken away.

I'm not saying I agree with it, or that there aren't ways of getting around it, but that's the way the law is going. Go to https://www.eucd.org , it'll clear up a lot of questions about it all.

criminal_smile

This came up in a thread about 10 weeks ago, so I emailed FACT to find out if home copies for personal use are allowed. I am STILL waiting for a reply from them. My guess is that even they aren't sure now.

edit: I have just emailed them again, so let's see if they answer this time.

sra

Board Guide Note

Hi

After checking with abcon I've deleted a few posts from this thread

Advising how to get around copyright protection is not allowed.

Some of the posts in this thread where not specifically about breaking copyright protection - but in this context they've been removed

I think it's clear from the posts above that the legal situation is not clear cut which is part of the reason for this ban

thanks

Fifer

It's illegal to make copies, even if you have bought the cd.

It's also probaly illegal to sell something marked with the "Compact Disc" logo if it doesn't meet the red book standard, which is the case with most copy protected 'CD's. I don't know if the Turin Brakes CD is marked as a CD though ...

trace-j

No one but the copyright holder has the right to make a copy of any works. Although the word 'backups' get banded about, its a myth. Any copyright holder can sue you for copying a cd etc regardless of whether it's for personal use or commercial gain.

Under the Trade Marks Act as soon as you copy stuff with a registered trade mark for your own gain (either on the packaging or displayed on screen) it is a criminal offence.

I'd be interested in FACT's response, but you could also email BPI and ELSPA who deal with the music and games industry to see what they say. FACT deal with movies. I'd be amazed if FACT say its OK to make personal copies, when they're there to protect the interests of their own members, i.e. film companies.

Software that overides copyright protection can fall under the misuse of computers (or something similar) regulations which is a criminal offence.

But what people get up to in their own homes is their own business, until they get found out.