Sign direction valid grounds for appeal?

dm_livingthedream

Hi all,

I recently received 2 Penalty Charge Notices from Manchester council after parking on a suburban residential street for a number of days while I stayed in the city centre. The PCN was issued after I parked on Danesmoor Road, M20 3JS, which I have since found out is a residential permit holders area, but I believe that this is insufficiently signposted due to the direction of the sign. Would anyone have any advice on if this is worth appealing further after my first informal appeal was rejected, or should I just take the hit and pay at the reduced rate? My full explanation and grounds are below:

When I arrived I drove down Lyndhurst Road and turned right onto Danesmoor Road (arrows marked purple in attached image). After I parked I observed no yellow lines, and looked up and down Danesmoor Road after the junction with Lyndhurst Road for any indication that there were parking restrictions (area marked with black arrow). On the junction of Lyndhurst Road and Danesmoor Road there is a sign (marked with the orange rectangle) facing Lyndhurst Road stating there are parking restrictions to the left of that sign (i.e. on Danesmoor Road going towards St Aldwyn's Road). As this sign had an arrow pointing to the left with no indication of restrictions to the right (i.e. towards Mayville Drive) I assumed there were no restrictions in place. The sign is admittedly slightly visible if you are completely on the left hand side of the road while turning right onto Danesmoor Road, however there are parking spaces on both sides of Lyndhurst Road meaning that you're forced to drive in the middle of the road until you turn.

However, the pole with the sign on has another sign 90 degrees clockwise around the pole showing that there are indeed restrictions on Danesmoor Road in the area marked with the black arrows. My grounds of appeal would be that this sign is not visible when turning right from Lyndhurst Road and there is no further signing along the area marked with a black arrow. My initial informal appeal has stated that there is another sign on the junction of Lyndhurst Road and Holmwood Road stating that Holmwood Road is similarly residents permit holders, and therefore I should have known that Danesmoor Road has the same restrictions, but I fail to see how that can be a valid grounds for rejecting the appeal, as they're 2 different roads?

If anyone has any advice it'd be greatly appreciated. I've also attached photos of the signs and what is visible on google street view as you approach from Lyndhurst Road.

Kind regards

Gr1pr

As this is a council matter, I strongly suggest that you post your query over on the FTLA parking forum website after reading their posting requirements first

Car1980

Yes, poorly sited sign that right turners cannot see.

Appeal and take it all the way to the TPT using the magic words "the onus is on the council to make restrictions clear".

Be adamant and use your best photo. None of this "slightly visible" - it was invisible!

Their argument doesn't make sense because it would be sited to the left if it was assumed right turners already knew of the zone. And it would mean the silver Astra parked specifically to avoid the start of the Danesmoor zone would actually be in the Lyndhurst zone. Instead, it must signify a new separation zone.