PPS Fine Leeds- "Parking in No Parking"

PureVessel

Hey,

Just making a note here of the PPS fine that I have for "parking in no parking zone". Lots of people park here constantly and using the Leeds Council site to check adopted vs non-adopted roads this seems to be a grey area for who owns the road and are allowed to fine given there are no yellow lines and the signage is contradictory (i.e. one side of the road seems to be owned by the building and shouldn't be allowed to give out fines outside of their bays- where I was parked) and the other side of the road is operated privately. It's a mix-match of companies and contracts from what I can tell.

The sign (see below- red is other side of road, blue is my side of road I'm parked on) read "if you park your vehicle incorrectly" yet doesn't indicate what "incorrectly" actually means given I'm parked on a side road, outside of the designated private bays, and without yellow lines. Granted, there are signs, but confusing.

Anyhow- I've appealed online using the default template on NEWBIES template as registered keeper. Will let you know once I get it cancelled hopefully!

Half_way

The sign clearly states no parking, so how can they then say a contract to pay them can be formed if they are prohibiting parking?

cooldude255220

Please can you confirm the incident date, as well as the date of the letter?

PureVessel

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82005876#Comment_82005876

Incident Date = 06/05/2026

Issue Date = 14/05/2026

Does this change anything?

Car1980

So you're arguing that you entered into a contract with UKCPS instead of PPS? Fair enough.

The forbidding contract route won't work at Popla.

GrumpyDil

But presumably the forbidding contract route would work if taken to small claims.

cooldude255220

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82006081#Comment_82006081

Unfortunately not, as it's deemed delivered in time. But always worth checking!

Can you give a streetview link so we can see the area please?

PureVessel

I did a little more digging given I have (and many others) parked here for months with 0 issues (besides a few A4 printed "you are fined, go to reception" baits that I've obviously ignored) and a coincidental conversation in our building chat turns out that essentially the right side of the road with the white/gray pavement blocks are owned by the building and under PPS ticketing as per my fine. The other side is privately owned land where they are apparently in charge of fining (and must not be doing a good job at fining people lol).

Funnily enough the owner put in chat "even a tyre" that is parked on the pavement blocks will result in a fine. This now explains why I haven't received a fine before… because I always parked on the side of the road without my tyres on the pavement. Now that (as per fine photo) I lifted the tyres onto the pavement, a fine appears. Good god, how much hurt I must have caused their lives by putting my tyre on their precious pavement.

I have included below a photo for ref. Right hand side is owned by the building/PPS controlled (the white/grey pavement). Anything else including the road itself is UKCPS managed private land (red signage) who doesn't really seem to be issuing fines for the past few months.

What do you think are the chances I can successfully not pay this fine given they have grounds to take to small court with signage assumably? If you think 0% in getting out of this let me know please. Appreciate the support.

PureVessel

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82006086#Comment_82006086

Tbh I'm not sure what I'm arguing besides the fact that the signage isn't clear on who is managing the land. Do you think this is worth fighting against to the last stage or will be difficult to fight?

Coupon-mad

You don't have a fine.

There are two conflicting parking firms there so you may as well appeal further & run those images of the 2 signs past POPLA, but add the date & time metadata to each. Evidence of signs must be shown to be taken in the right month.

And add the prohibitive signs argument too. May as well.

PPS might offer no contest.

James_Poisson

You won't find the word "fine" on any documentation or sign these are just speculative invoices, and the management company are halfwits putting those A4 notices on vehicles calling them fines.