“Parking Charge”

Curranv1

Advice please: we parked at Manchester airport multi storey P12 on 30th April to 5th May. The signage to P12 seemed ok until we were almost there. We passed the car park entrance and had to go round a roundabout again. It seemed fine - until we received ‘Parking Charge APCOA Parking’ today (18th May) dated 9th May.
It states ‘Use of Pick up/drop off zone without making a valid payment. At Manchester Airport Lower Drop Forecourt T1’
Time is 8:47:12 to 8:48:17 on 30/4.
We did not stop for 1 minute 5 seconds and did not drop anyone off or pick anyone up.

Clearly it’s taken 9 days to arrive here, possibly delays with post so I’ll have to be quick.
Yes we did park there that day but if we were in drop off zone it’s a genuine mistake.
Any advice would be appreciated & thanks in advance

Gr1pr

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6668872/parking-charge

Read the recent airport threads on here, especially Manchester Airport ones, or the Heathrow Gatwick Manchester airport group thread, appeal as keeper to Apcoa using the no keeper liability under POFA on airport land appeal template

Curranv1

(Curranv1) Hi thanks for advice. I replied as keeper of vehicle but added photos of car in P12 multi storey and confirmation of parking there and costs. I refuted any suggestion that car picked up or dropped anyone off. I’ve received email today thanking me for info and asking for name and address of the driver. The fine is ridiculous as we were genuinely trying to get to P12 and not the T1 drop off area. If I reply without divulging driver info will that be the end of it - or will they refer to court action? Obviously this is new to me - thanks - Val

Gr1pr

Definitely do not reveal who was driving

Its not a fine

Wait until after their deadline to name the driver

Or

Reply with the standard Manchester airport template appeal as seen in other recent Manchester cases

Curranv1

Thanks for quick reply. So, what’s the purpose of naming the driver after the deadline? Doesn’t that increase the charge? Why is it not a fine?

My response was going to be - I’m not naming driver; resending proof of parking at Manchester P12; reiterating car did not pick up or drop off at T1; will that suffice?
£60 for a genuine error is ridiculous! Thanks again

Gr1pr

Naming the driver throws them under the bus, so do not dob them in unless you really want to ( normally you never reveal who was driving to a private parking company )

The actual charge never increases, its stated as £100 on the pcn, so doesn't change at all

Magistrates issue fines, in court or by court letter ! You definitely do not have a fine, just an invoice from Apcoa for the alleged breach of the contract on that private airport property, which is subject to bylaws ( as are ALL airports. ) you definitely wont find the legal word "fine" on any paperwork or on the signs

Personally I might respond stating that I will not name the driver and airport land is not subject to POFA2012 so as keeper I have no liability, so cancel the pcn

Or copy and paste the airport template regarding Pofa2012 and no keeper liability and state that you will not be naming the driver so cancel the pcn

This case isn't about what happened or your personal feelings, its about Pofa2012 and no keeper liability

Coupon-mad

"So, what’s the purpose of naming the driver after the deadline?"

That's not what he meant! Must admit when I read that reply yesterday, I did also think it could be misunderstood.

NOBODY IS SAYING NAME THE DRIVER!

Gr1pr

As Above, the point is that they were phishing for the drivers details, sneaky peek, so if you were going to name the driver ( which isn't recommended. ) you would do so if they didn't cancel after the deadline expires

But

You really should either

Respond in the manner I outlined, as keeper with no liability and no you are not naming the driver

Or

You IGNORE the phishing response

If you had appealed as keeper using our airport special template appeal, they would have cancelled the pcn straightaway, knowing that they were on another lower

They were hoping that you were gullible and naive enough to dob in the driver

Curranv1

Thanks a lot for all the advice. If I reply simply stating ‘I’m not naming driver and under no obligation to do so’ - any idea what their likely response will be? Is there anything they can progress with? Thanks

ChirpyChicken

Appeal as the keeper

use this one as per norrmal. not sure why anything else has been advised

This is an appeal by the registered keeper - No driver details will be given. Please do not bother with your known fishing expedition in an attempt to get driver details to try and get around the fact there is no keeper liability (and never can be under POFA).

Due to this being airport land you will be well aware there is no keeper liability due to the byelaws in force and the fact this is not relevant land.

As there is no keeper liability then liability cannot flow from the driver to the keeper and thus is an auto win @POPLA . Please therefore cancel the notice or issue a POPLA code where you will auto withdraw

If you waste your time asking for driver details this will be ignored and you will still lose at POPLA if you dont cancel the PCN

So let's save my time and yours and cancel this PCN you simply cannot win this (and you know it).

lb201010

@ChirpyChicken is this template still working ? Just copy and paste word for word or is there another template ?

…..This is an appeal by the registered keeper - No driver details will be given. Please do not bother with your known fishing expedition in an attempt to get driver details to try and get around the fact there is no keeper liability (and never can be under POFA).

Due to this being airport land you will be well aware there is no keeper liability due to the byelaws in force and the fact this is not relevant land.

As there is no keeper liability then liability cannot flow from the driver to the keeper and thus is an auto win @POPLA . Please therefore cancel the notice or issue a POPLA code where you will auto withdraw

If you waste your time asking for driver details this will be ignored and you will still lose at POPLA if you dont cancel the PCN

So let's save my time and yours and cancel this PCN you simply cannot win this (and you know it).