State Pension non reciprocal country ?

SloughSally

I am aware that people who claim the UK state pension whilst living in non reciprocal countries eg Canada, Thailand, Brazil etc do not get the annual increase.

However how long can you visit one of these countries without it affecting your annual increase?

Thank You.

mrklaw

I don’t know if the country you visit matters? I think the issue is whether you retain UK tax residency which has a bunch of rules, but one of the primary ones is being here 183 days or more in any one year

Worried_fool

Possibly the determining factor is where you pay your tax.

Marcon

If you ask the International Pension Centre you'll get the definitive answer as opposed to speculation https://www.gov.uk/international-pension-centre

pinnks

The determining factor is where you are ordinarily resident from an NI perspective. I agree that asking IPC would be sensible as it's a complex topic unless you simply leave the UK for pastures new…

born_again

Other than the above.

How long do you class as a visit & where do you live?

poseidon1

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6667615/state-pension-non-reciprocal-country

Visiting foreign countries does not equate with an establish intention to become UK non residence for tax purposes as intimated by @mrklaw .

A simple explanation of the new statutory residence test in this regard is set out below - should be a simpler read compared to forwarding explanations from one of the big four tax consultancies -

https://www.gosimpletax.com/blog/uk-non-resident-guide-to-paying-uk-tax/

SloughSally

So going by the above as long as someone is in the UK for at least 183 days per tax year, they should get the annual state pension increase, regardless of where they spend the remaining days.

poseidon1

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81993389#Comment_81993389

183 days is not the only criteria. Fewer days here can still result in a finding of UK tax residency even if you are absent more than 183 days, read the article properly.

You need to proactively intend to lose UK tax residency (which you don't intimate to be the case), you are not going to find yourself jeopardising increases to state pension purely by 'accident'.

SloughSally

You’ve missed the point of the question and gone off on a tangent, the question has nothing to do with tax residency, but thanks for the reply.

I know now someone must spend at least 183 days a year in the UK and/ or a reciprocal country to get the state pension annual increase,

pinnks

As far as I am aware, the test is not one of tax residency but, as I said previously, whether from a NIC perspective you are ordinarily resident or not. This is not a tax issue!