We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: Hello Forumites! In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non-MoneySaving matters are not permitted per the Forum rules. While we understand that mentioning house prices may sometimes be relevant to a user's specific MoneySaving situation, we ask that you please avoid veering into broad, general debates about the market, the economy and politics, as these can unfortunately lead to abusive or hateful behaviour. Threads that are found to have derailed into wider discussions may be removed. Users who repeatedly disregard this may have their Forum account banned. Please also avoid posting personally identifiable information, including links to your own online property listing which may reveal your address. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
The Forum now has a brand new text editor, adding a bunch of handy features to use when creating posts. Read more in our how-to guide

Service Charge Help / Advice

Hi All

A person has died in our block (1 of 20 flats), has no heirs and the flat has been empty for some time, looks like going to be claimed by the Crown.

Management company are still billing all of us for this flats service charges. Can they do this? Seems unfair because they are taking the unpaid service charges for this empty flat out of our reserve fund?

Any advice on how to resolve this would be appreciated.

Comments

  • silvercar
    silvercar Posts: 50,713 Ambassador
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Academoney Grad Name Dropper

    This could be considered a debt against that flat, so when it is sold the service charge owing becomes due and that repays the reserve fund.

    I'm a Forum Ambassador on the housing, mortgages & student money saving boards. I volunteer to help get your forum questions answered and keep the forum running smoothly. Forum Ambassadors are not moderators and don't read every post. If you spot an illegal or inappropriate post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com (it's not part of my role to deal with this). Any views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.com.
  • Flugelhorn
    Flugelhorn Posts: 7,616 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Photogenic Name Dropper

    I have seen that happen before - the costs of running the block continue and they have to get the money from somewhere - but eventually it will be paid back when the place is sold

  • daveyjp
    daveyjp Posts: 14,116 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper

    As with all queries such as this the starting point is the lease. What does it say about service charge responsibilities and do the clauses provide for residents to be charged extra to cover costs for vacant units?

  • eddddy
    eddddy Posts: 18,514 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    edited 6 April at 10:38AM

    How long have the service charges remaind unpaid?

    Is it a 'proper' professional management company, or an amateur company run by leaseholders or similar?

    Who is the freeholder?

    On what basis are the other leaseholders paying the service charge for the empty flat? Is it being treated as though you are making a loan to the management company, and once the management company get the service charges for the empty flat, they will repay the loan?

    In general, if a leaseholder doesn't pay their service charges, ultimately the freeholder can go to court to forfeit (or terminate) the lease and take possession of the flat.

    Then the freeholder can create a new lease for the flat, and sell the flat. The freeholder can use some of the sale money to pay off the outstanding service charge - and keep the rest of the sale money as a free bonus.

  • bouicca21
    bouicca21 Posts: 6,767 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper

    A while ago we had a problem with an obnoxious neighbour who failed to pay his share of the service charge. How I wish the rest of us could have divvied up what was owing and paid our share until it could be recouped. The result was that things simply did not get done, as there was no money to pay the bills.


    The property manager’s defence was that the leasehold tribunal was reluctant to order forfeiture and that our leases, which are old and in need of modernising, do not contain a clause about forcing the recalcitrant one to pay legal fees, so we would all be paying a share of the legal fees. Eventually a letter before action threatening the small claims court got him to pay up.

    He continues to be obnoxious and uncooperative, but that creates different issues.

Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 354.2K Banking & Borrowing
  • 254.3K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 455.3K Spending & Discounts
  • 247.1K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 603.8K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 178.4K Life & Family
  • 261.3K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.7K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.