IPC Parking Fine - B&M - England

cloud21

Recieved a fine from IPC of £90 (£50 if paid in 14 days for as my partner stayed in a B&M car park by 21 minutes too long. 90 minutes was the limit.

I’m thinking of appealing but know that 21 minutes probably exceeds the waiver limit.

I’ve contacted B&M who were off handed but said to bring in a receipt and they’ll check cctv to confirm she was in the store.

The trouble is while she did spend £45 she paid around 50 minutes before expiry then left the store and walked into town for more shopping.

Appreciate any general advice as to my best options, ideally would like to not pay but feel like it’s difficult to fight when she wasn’t in the store the whole time.

Jame4ters

It’s not a fine.

Don’t pay

Can you publish a copy of the PCN with personal details redacted.

Follow the “Newbies” thread.

Definitely use Plan A

cloud21

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81947017#Comment_81947017

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thanks

1505grandad

The parking company is G24 - please post a copy of the reverse.

James_Poisson

Appreciate any general advice as to my best options, ideally would like to not pay but feel like it’s difficult to fight when she wasn’t in the store the whole time

Why, they haven't pulled the "leaving site" scam on you it's just the ANPR rubbish you certainly don't divulge anything you don't need to, and this is a scam invoice not a fine, the parking company (G24 not IPC that their trade body) are over the moon you over stayed that how they make their money out of people that pay up.

How would you know how long you can stay as you enter the car park, where are the entrance signs:

cloud21

True, I have browsed the guide but slightly confused. Is my only way of disputing this to post a letter? Will that pause the time before they increase the fine? As for the signs I’m not sure how up to date that Google picture is but agree with your point.

I need my laptop to check over the template property but any help in the meantime appreciated.

I don’t have the letter on me right now so will post the other side of it later.

cloud21

ignore my question on post, seems it can all be done online.

Gr1pr

Its from G24 , not their trade body, so alter your thread title to G24

I presume that the alleged breach is on the back of the pcn. ? An overstay. ?

How to appeal will be on the back of the pcn, no need to speculate or assume

There is no fine, just an invoice for £100 ( or less. ) it never increases, so £90 in this case

No appeal is going to work, so dont bother ( unless it is about the poor and inadequate signage )

Do not make any admissions as to what happened

Ignore them for now

cloud21

Ignoring is no longer valid advice from what I’ve read.

So no appeal will work? What’s the point of using the template in that case.

Gr1pr

Ignoring the private parking company and their debt collectors is certainly a current strategy, but you dont ignore an LBC or a Money Claim ( court claim. )

Plan A is what you should be concentrating on, getting a cancellation from the business or more likely from the landlord or landowner

The template may work with a BPA AOS member, especially if there are good grounds for an appeal, like with Apcoa, but extremely unlikely to work with an IPC AOS member like G24, especially for a 21 minutes overstay

Any valid appeal is normally based on POFA, signage and no landowner authority, or inaccurate, misleading or false information. Is the NTK PCN letter compliant with POFA2012 ? If not then YOU as RK have NO LIABILITY

I suggest that you study the newbies sticky thread in announcements near the top of the forum plus the official MSE guide which is linked up there too

Plan A is always the best option in these cases, which you haven't done yet ( the business is only a tenant. )

I do not believe that an appeal will result in the pcn being cancelled, so "won't work"

A strong complaint about the pcn to the management company or landlord or landowner is the better option , but start with B & M with proof of patronage etc

Umkomaas

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81947124#Comment_81947124

The template is there so that people don’t make any fundamental errors in what they say to a PPC. It is also there because half the people who come to the forum can’t seem to be able to construct any form of letter.

It also tells the PPC that this forum is involved, so it’s not likely to be easy pickings for them.