Confused about PIP and UC connection

peteuk

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81952154#Comment_81952154

I’m sure someone will correct me (sorry I’m on nights so not firing on all cylinders) but the PIP assessment is a snap shot of you at the point of assessment, to get an updated consultants letter will prove very little. If it goes to tribunal and takes months they will look back at the assessment and say on this day evidence shows X and Y. Your letter dated three months after the assessment doesn’t impact the assessment.

Happy to be proven wrong!

And you still haven’t answered who’ve you have asked for the delay, you say three weeks, but by the time the consultants notes have been transfered overseas for someone to type and send a letter, second class via Royal Mail, three weeks is going to be two months.

HillStreetBlues

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81952318#Comment_81952318

The assessment should only be one part of overall decision, but I think most of us know it's normally the only thing a DM considers, even when other evidence contradicts the assessment.
The OP is currently seeing consultant so their input should be considered unless the condition has suddenly come on since the decision.

Bluenunn_in_the_north

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81952318#Comment_81952318

Hi,

Probably should have been clearer!

My consultant has already been in touch with me and said he will compose the letter and upload it electronically to my patient portal when I talk to him, on the 13th May. It will be available immediately.

The difference between the dates is the end date of the one month time limit to appeal after the rejected MR, 18th April vs when I speak to him 13th May.

The pertinence of the condition staus pre-dated my assessment by at least a year, I just never thought I'd need a formal letter from him at that time as I assumed, considering there had been no improvement of my condition, indeed worsening and previously I was on DLA and Mobility components, I didn't imagine I'd get rejected at MR.

I had asked PIP for the delay to suspend the MR decision, they had given me until the 13th.

Hope that helps!

Bluenunn_in_the_north

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81950177#Comment_81950177

I'm a Software Engineer/Tester by trade so we have a commonality there! It was confusing for me anyway on the mobile UI. The laptop version looks better but still not great.

A simple SMS, they use them often enough to report earnings or journal notifications, would have sufficed for monthly statements, never knew they existed! Easy fix.

Bluenunn_in_the_north

I should also add the PIP guy said one can have up to 13 months to apply for a tribunal, not the 1 month after MR rejection if there's a 'good' reason.

I don't want to get caught out by that Banana skin.

I'm not au fait with the acceptable reasons.

Robbie64

13 months is the maximum, after which an appeal to the tribunal can't be made. If you take longer than one month you have to give a good reason for the late application.

Bluenunn_in_the_north

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81950962#Comment_81950962

Yes, I'm fully cognizant of the fact that won't be aware or care, probably I only have a mobile, it was merely an observation of my subjective experience at that moment, not a macro projection. Thank you.

I'm content with how the system operates, and if I had to legally pay them back from an overpayment, it wouldn't bother me a single scintilla, thanks for the concern though.

Again, I'm not trying to contort or be unaware of objective reality, so I dismiss your postulation. I'm merely stating my subjective experience, the two aren't mutually exclusive concepts. I should have caveated my parochialism. I like to think, humbly of course, that I have adequate perspicacity to hold the two distinct concepts at once.

The supervisor, one step up from the initial call agent. My consultant shifts his appointments regularly, six months is an estimate.

PIP were fully aware of my appointments with him and the severity of my condition but didn't have a bespoke letter from him, that clearly I needed. Even though my condition is moderately worse that last assessed 4 years ago when I qualified for DLA and Mobility.

They just chose to ignore what I said and wrote with zero coherent counter argument and cut and paste paragraphs from PIP regs that had zero pertinence to my MR or condition.

Thanks

Bluenunn_in_the_north

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81952533#Comment_81952533

Is getting new evidence a good reason? Should I apply before the notional deadline then give an addendum of clinical evidence a few weeks after in case they reject that justification?

I've sent a query email to HMCTS, so we'll see!

That's what I'm musing. Thanks

peteuk

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81952530#Comment_81952530

They suggest within a month ideally, but in reality it’s such a complex procedure that just getting someone to assist can take more than that. As you’ve noted you have up-to 13 months however the sooner the better for all parties. You may be asked for a reason for the delay - taking specialist advice is a valid response, which would fit what you have highlighted.

Please be aware that some of the advice on these threads are for general public consumption, eg if someone finds themselves in a simular circumstance, so my advice of being over paid wasn’t a dig it was 100% advice and is the reason why they don’t do it. DWP/HMRC/ HM Gov would be ran out of town if they paid you during your appeal. What would happen if Someone said I’m appealing and then on the last day of the 13 month period said “nah not worth it?”

You are in the centre of your own battle, the advice given may not be what you want to hear, but again it would remiss of us to say -hay your 100% right, when we know PIP has no rhythm or reason for most of what it does.

The good thing is most decisions get overturned at appeal. So hopefully yours will to.

Bluenunn_in_the_north

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81952727#Comment_81952727

Thanks🙏🏻