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Final Hearing on 27 March - Minster Baywatch/Bransby Wilson - Neath Train Station

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  • MumOfABeagle
    MumOfABeagle Posts: 9 Forumite
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    Thanks @1505grandad - I've now got that judgement printed and in my bundle of documents ready for Friday.

    @Castle - that is my question too. The GS WS relies on OPS v Wilshaw to say that landowner authority is not required where a binding contract is formed through the signage between the motorist and the Claimant, but the Claimant has confirmed that I'm being pursued as the registered keeper not as the driver, so a binding contract was never formed with me through the signage even on the Claimant's own case. Also, nothing in the documents exhibited to the GS WS would suggest that there was a tenancy at will, so I think OPS v Wilshaw is distinguished?

    I think I've read also in another thread (or maybe in one of the MSE template docs) that landowner authority is a requirement of KADOE, so if the Claimant hasn't got landowner authority then it has obtained my details in breach of GDPR?

  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 24 March at 10:03PM

    Sadly the Circuit Judge - HHJ Simpkiss - in OPS v Wilshaw was from a criminal law background as a Recorder and he admitted he was not au fait with contract law (let alone parking law & KADOE rules).

    As a result he was COMPLETELY TAKEN IN by what the Claimant's barrister said.

    I watched the hearing.

    It was a car crash.

    He was wrong on every point. He knew nothing of KADOE and the BPA CoP requirement for landowner authority despite the fact that the entire BPA CoP was exhibited in the case…

    He didn't look. Just believed what he was told. Lapped it up.

    He also took into account a letter secretly sent to him by OPS, bleating along the lines that their reputation had been damaged and they wouldn't be able to trade if the decision stood (Mrs Wilshaw wasn't copied in) and he wrongly allowed costs waaay in excess of the small claims limit and couldn't even add the costs up properly.

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  • MumOfABeagle
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    Thanks @Coupon-mad.

    What you describe above is absolutely shocking from a judge. Here's hoping that the judge I'm in front of on tomorrow has some contract law knowledge at least!

  • Gr1pr
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    Well Done

    It will be Gladstones who will pay you the judgment, on behalf of their client MB

  • ChirpyChicken
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    dont be surprised to get a cheque

  • MumOfABeagle
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    @ChirpyChicken - that wouldn't surprise me, Gladstones still making things as difficult as possible!

  • Coupon-mad
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    Well done you! Costs too - nice.

    ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST!

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  • Car1980
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    Well done. You don't always quite know how it's going to go at some of the less popular court venues.

  • ChirpyChicken
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    Luckily with most banks you can scan it with your banking app (if used)

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