Conventional automatic transmission?

Cornucopia

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For a little more money, a Mk2 Nissan Leaf, which manages around 160 miles on a 40 kWh battery.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202602210111139

Goudy

I seem to think the Kia Picanto up to 2017 and it's sister car, the Hyundai i10 up to 2019 had old school 4 speed torque converter gearboxes on their 1.2 litre models.

After that, some markets kept the 4 speed auto but in Europe they changed to a 5 speed AMT (Automated Manual Transmission).

If you look at the Co2 figures for these cars, the 4 speed TC are generally higher so RFL is in the hundreds not tens of pounds like the manuals.

Like most things, they are not without faults.

As mentioned above, the Mazda 2 (2015-2019) had a TC as did the Corsa 1.4 (2014- 2019)

Again, the Co2 and the RFL cost should give you an idea of what individual cars have. Generally the TC automatics will be much higher that CVT, Dual Clutches, AMT's and manuals.

Toyota Hybrids use a CVT but it's not your common CVT with belt and pulleys of yesteryears, it uses a couple of electric motors and a set of planetary gears. The later ones only use a smaller set of gears for higher gears/speeds and direct electric drive for lower gearing/speeds.

Most modern CVT's now use a mix of drive chain rather than a belt, planetary gears and hydraulics to alter their ratios and they are very efficient. Some are even more efficient than a manual as they can change their output speeds without interruption of power from the engine.

Bigwheels1111

I have a Peugeot 5008, 2016

It has an EAT6 automatic gearbox. Road tax started at £30 as pre 1st April 2017.

Now £35 a year.

Very smooth and nice to drive.

The EAT6 (Efficient Automatic Transmission 6-speed) is 

a reliable, Japanese-designed Aisin torque converter automatic gearbox used widely in Peugeot, Citroën, and DS vehicles between roughly 2005 and 2019

ididgetwhereiamtoday

why does a dirty old polluting fossil fueled car pay £35 a year rfl when my non polluting clean quiet EV has to pay £190 a year?

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Because an old polluting fossil fuel car falls into a cheaper tax bracket than your non polluting clean quiet EV.

If you had bought a Tesla registered before March 2017 you would only have to pay £20 and you would have free Supercharging.

Just blame HMG. They chose to backdate the single rate tax for EVs to April 2017, rather than backdate single rate tax for all vehicles to 1984, presumably someone at the Treasury did the sums and worked out that backdating to 1984 would lose more revenue from reducing bands F-M vehicles and PLG over 1549cc to £195 than they would gain from increasing bands A-E and PLG under 1549cc to £195.

(IDK why they didn't increase Historic Vehicle tax to £20 the same as band A though, AFAIK it is still zero, possibly to do with who owns large collections of Historic vehicles…)

Goudy

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Oh er, that's a tempter!

Your EV doesn't produce any emissions from it's (non existent) tail pipe but it does produce some elsewhere and not all is as it may appear.

First off production. To make an EV produces roughly 40% to 80% more emissions than a regular fossil fuel car. These aren't my figures, you can easily look them up yourself. This is based on mining raw materials and manufacture, but also accounts for location of manufacture. Most battery manufacturing takes place in China that is almost totally dependent on a very high carbon energy grid.

Now consider Fords engine plant in Dagenham, that's using at least 50% renewables (but probably more) and it takes less energy to produce the engines to start with.

Depending on location a battery can produce anywhere up to 400kgs of carbon per kilowatt to produce.

The overall difference in total production between the two types of vehicle is thought to be around 6 to 8 tonnes of carbon for a fossil fuelled car and 11 to 14 tonnes for an EV.

We produce around 50% of our electricity from fossil fuels. Ok you might have a renewable tariff at home, but if the majority are using this 50% of renewables to charge their cars, everyone else is using fossil produced electricity for everything else. So they do cause a certain amount of carbon through electricity production if you use it directly and or not.

So over an EV's life cycle, the recharging element of an EV works out, according to the experts to be roughly around the 40 to 50g/km Co2 mark and now have to add 40% to 80% more production emissions to that to get an overall idea of the emissions involved .

The good news is we have passed the break even point on a like for like bases but not by a massive margin yet and may not if you have a EV and don't go very far in it as a lot of it's emission are up front emission "debt" compared to a fossil fuelled car that burns the fuel as and when.

An EV over it's life cycle will generally be cleaner and it's likely things will continue to improve from now on. Production emission should come down as will charging emissions when the renewables percentage increases, but there are still high volume manufacturers committed to very high carbon energy grids which is going to slow the process down massively.

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The great thing with EVs is that they move all the emissions to Places That We Don't Care About, rather than belch them out of the back in town traffic queues or next to my house.

Oh er, that's a tempter!

Which one, a pre March 2017 Tesla, which will have the transferable free supercharging (Tesla stopped it from March 2017, most will have half a million miles on them by now 😉 ) or a Pre April 2017 Band A diesel, which covers some surprisingly big cars like the Citroen C4?