Car security

Bigbeinn

I cannot understand why car dealerships can’t be made to provide faraday boxes & pouches as part of the ‘package’ (& at no cost to the buyer) when they sell a keyless car. Sorry if this has been raised before but I can’t find this suggestion on any thread. 

flaneurs_lobster

I can't understand why car manufacturers ever decided that something quite so stupid as keyless car security was  a worthwhile development. 

Can it ever be the case that someone who is about to drive a car (steering wheel, seatbelt, indicators) will find pressing a button on a key fob a serious inconvenience?

Gimmick, whose only advantage is that given to car thieves.

SiliconChip

Given that they can be bought for less than £5 I don't see why the owner can't cover the cost. If the dealer is "made" (who would do that?) to provide one I can guarantee it'll be rolled into the overall cost at some point.

I was given one by the local police when there was a spate of keyless entry car thefts in the area.

Emmia

Bigbeinn said:

I cannot understand why car dealerships can’t be made to provide faraday boxes & pouches as part of the ‘package’ (& at no cost to the buyer) when they sell a keyless car. Sorry if this has been raised before but I can’t find this suggestion on any thread. 

It wouldn't be "at no cost to the buyer" as the buyer would pay as part of the purchase price. Just as the tyres on the vehicle aren't "free".

Car_54

SiliconChip said:

Given that they can be bought for less than £5 

An empty baked beans tin costs nothing.

Rodders53

Cheap enough to buy such pouches or tins to put the keys in.  Some car dealers might supply one if asked to sweeten a purchase deal (likely no mats or flaps then though).

Ours have gone into a metal 'key safe' in a cupboard ever since we've had said key store.

Modern keyless fobs now go to sleep when left on a surface after a short time, and only wake when picked up and moved to stop the relay signal thing.  At least those from the better marques do.

I find the ability to open the boot while carrying bags by waving a foot under the bumper quite useful

born_again

Bigbeinn said:

I cannot understand why car dealerships can’t be made to provide faraday boxes & pouches as part of the ‘package’ (& at no cost to the buyer) when they sell a keyless car. Sorry if this has been raised before but I can’t find this suggestion on any thread. 

Faraday pouches wear out....
& does not stop gameboy thefts.

Security starts at home. 

BTW. Love keyless entry & is one of the points I look for when buying a car. Key in trousers pocket & only comes out when changing trousers.. No more worn out trouser pockets fishing key out everytime to get in car.

facade

I hate keyless entry and start.

I can't keep the "key" in my pocket when I'm not in the car as it is a big lump, and apart from the risk of relay theft, if even a piece of pocket lint brushes against the buttons, the car will immediately wind all the windows down (in the pouring rain usually)

So I'm holding the "key" when I get in because I just picked it up out of its metal tin, and then have to chuck it on the oddment shelf. It wouldn’t be the slightest trouble to shove it into a hole on the steering column and turn it, then I'd know where it is and it can't roll around.

Just another solution looking for a problem as far as I'm concerned.

Slightly off topic, but yootube is full of videos of T#y#t#s being stolen with a tin opener to the edge of the door to gain canbus access and just instruct the car to open and start from outside, because there isn't even the slightest hint of security in the software....

Mildly_Miffed

I have a keyless entry and start car. I have no great issues with it.

Walk up to it with key in pocket, and simultaneously press the little rubber pip on the door handle to unlock and open it.
When you leave it, press the little pip again to lock - or use the remote.

Get in, foot on brake, and turn the starter switch on the column.

The key's no bigger than any other remote-locking folding-key fob. It contains a steel blade that unlocks the door and column switch if ever the keyless fails.

If the key's removed from the car once started, there's a bloody great big unmissable message to say so in the middle of the instruments.

Some manufacturers may implement these things less-well than others, such as the manufacturer of a mate's car... They were about to leave home, when something was remembered in the house. The keys were taken to unlock the house with the car still running... and then put on the side while the forgotten object was retrieved, keys picked up, house re-locked, and off they headed. They arrive at the destination, where he was dropping passengers off... They get out, luggage is unloaded, he gets back in, goes to start the car... and no key. The wrong key had been picked up... I had an embarrassed call to go and find the spare house key, let myself in, retrieve the right key, and then go to deliver them to him... 30 miles away... He'd parked in a fairly obstructive position for the quick drop-off...

born_again

Kinda funny that people think keyless entry is unsafe.

Remember back years ago & a flat bit of metal or brick & a screwdriver was all they needed to steal a car, which could be anywhere. At least now they have to spend £'000 to get the software to do the same. Which they can only do outside your house.

Bigbeinn

I know it's ‘cheap’ to buy a faraday pouch or box but there’s a lot of people who don’t seem to know how easy it is to access a keyless car if they leave their keys lying around in their house where signal can be picked up. I was only thinking car dealerships could take some responsibility to ‘educate’ their customers by perhaps offering a free pouch & helping reduce the crime rate of stolen cars which runs in to tens of thousands