Fence post material and height - need advice

GDB2222

AC20 said:

Boohoo said:

AC20 said:

GDB2222 said:

Section62 said:

Boohoo said:

AC20 said:

Slinky said:

Albermarle said:

Usually it is said wooden posts will last maybe 10 years and concrete 25 years.
The very cheapest panels are probably best avoided.
Remember with a standard post and panel fence, the panels can be lifted out so no good if you need security.

In this case a 4ft post panel isn't much in the way of security, but we had 6ft panels at the bottom of our garden, with gravel boards. The tops of the panels were a bit higher than the posts (which were already in place when we bought the house, but there weren't gravel boards originally), so we fixed some timber across the backs of the panels, above the posts, joining the two panels together. It would have been very difficult to lift the panels out as they were all linked together. As a final security, we added 18 inch trellis across the top as a a continuous run which also spanned the gaps between the panels where the posts were. Nice and wobbly so would have been noisily broken if someone tried to climb over.  We were higher than the 'legal' limit on fences next to a footpath, but noone ever complained.

thanks, it's front garden so 4ft is max i can go. 

I don't think you mentioned where the fence is going.

Is it between 2 driveways or next to a pavement?

Only saying as if you have a car or neighbours do you will have think about existing the drive safely as 4 foot high fence can obstruct a driver's view when leaving the driveway.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6637376/can-i-build-a-fence-in-front-garden

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6637377/what-does-dotted-line-on-title-deed-indicate

4' panels on top of concrete gravel boards will be a lot higher than the existing 2' wall.

Some of it is next to a highway, so the OP needs planning permission, as it's over 1m.

There’s no highway next to the property, just a normal road for parking cars. We already have 2ft wall with lot of tall trees.

I would contact your local council and ask the planning or highways department for the rules regarding fencing for the size you want.

If your neighbours have fencing over 1m I doesn't mean you can as they may be illegal or they have planning permission.

thanks, yes it will have to be 3ft facing road / pavement. 4ft is only between common neighbouring area.

Did you say that you are on a corner?

Section62

AC20 said:

Boohoo said:

AC20 said:

GDB2222 said:

Section62 said:

Boohoo said:

AC20 said:

Slinky said:

Albermarle said:

Usually it is said wooden posts will last maybe 10 years and concrete 25 years.
The very cheapest panels are probably best avoided.
Remember with a standard post and panel fence, the panels can be lifted out so no good if you need security.

In this case a 4ft post panel isn't much in the way of security, but we had 6ft panels at the bottom of our garden, with gravel boards. The tops of the panels were a bit higher than the posts (which were already in place when we bought the house, but there weren't gravel boards originally), so we fixed some timber across the backs of the panels, above the posts, joining the two panels together. It would have been very difficult to lift the panels out as they were all linked together. As a final security, we added 18 inch trellis across the top as a a continuous run which also spanned the gaps between the panels where the posts were. Nice and wobbly so would have been noisily broken if someone tried to climb over.  We were higher than the 'legal' limit on fences next to a footpath, but noone ever complained.

thanks, it's front garden so 4ft is max i can go. 

I don't think you mentioned where the fence is going.

Is it between 2 driveways or next to a pavement?

Only saying as if you have a car or neighbours do you will have think about existing the drive safely as 4 foot high fence can obstruct a driver's view when leaving the driveway.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6637376/can-i-build-a-fence-in-front-garden

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6637377/what-does-dotted-line-on-title-deed-indicate

4' panels on top of concrete gravel boards will be a lot higher than the existing 2' wall.

Some of it is next to a highway, so the OP needs planning permission, as it's over 1m.

There’s no highway next to the property, just a normal road for parking cars. We already have 2ft wall with lot of tall trees.

I would contact your local council and ask the planning or highways department for the rules regarding fencing for the size you want.

If your neighbours have fencing over 1m I doesn't mean you can as they may be illegal or they have planning permission.

thanks, yes it will have to be 3ft facing road / pavement. 4ft is only between common neighbouring area.

Remember that the PD rule wording is "adjacent to a highway used by vehicular traffic ".  It doesn't say "facing".  A planning authority may decide a fence near to a highway is "adjacent" and needs (or needed) planning consent.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81720117/#Comment_81720117

GDB2222

A planning application costs £260 in fees, which is significant compared to the construction costs. It's rational, if somewhat antisocial, for the OP to plough ahead on the basis that the worst that will happen is he has to take the fence down again.

AC20

Section62 said:

Boohoo said:

AC20 said:

Slinky said:

Albermarle said:

Usually it is said wooden posts will last maybe 10 years and concrete 25 years.
The very cheapest panels are probably best avoided.
Remember with a standard post and panel fence, the panels can be lifted out so no good if you need security.

In this case a 4ft post panel isn't much in the way of security, but we had 6ft panels at the bottom of our garden, with gravel boards. The tops of the panels were a bit higher than the posts (which were already in place when we bought the house, but there weren't gravel boards originally), so we fixed some timber across the backs of the panels, above the posts, joining the two panels together. It would have been very difficult to lift the panels out as they were all linked together. As a final security, we added 18 inch trellis across the top as a a continuous run which also spanned the gaps between the panels where the posts were. Nice and wobbly so would have been noisily broken if someone tried to climb over.  We were higher than the 'legal' limit on fences next to a footpath, but noone ever complained.

thanks, it's front garden so 4ft is max i can go. 

I don't think you mentioned where the fence is going.

Is it between 2 driveways or next to a pavement?

Only saying as if you have a car or neighbours do you will have think about existing the drive safely as 4 foot high fence can obstruct a driver's view when leaving the driveway.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6637376/can-i-build-a-fence-in-front-garden

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6637377/what-does-dotted-line-on-title-deed-indicate

4' panels on top of concrete gravel boards will be a lot higher than the existing 2' wall.

Yes, after a rethink and reading online. We will stick with 3ft panels including gravel boards.

AC20

GDB2222 said:

AC20 said:

Boohoo said:

AC20 said:

GDB2222 said:

Section62 said:

Boohoo said:

AC20 said:

Slinky said:

Albermarle said:

Usually it is said wooden posts will last maybe 10 years and concrete 25 years.
The very cheapest panels are probably best avoided.
Remember with a standard post and panel fence, the panels can be lifted out so no good if you need security.

In this case a 4ft post panel isn't much in the way of security, but we had 6ft panels at the bottom of our garden, with gravel boards. The tops of the panels were a bit higher than the posts (which were already in place when we bought the house, but there weren't gravel boards originally), so we fixed some timber across the backs of the panels, above the posts, joining the two panels together. It would have been very difficult to lift the panels out as they were all linked together. As a final security, we added 18 inch trellis across the top as a a continuous run which also spanned the gaps between the panels where the posts were. Nice and wobbly so would have been noisily broken if someone tried to climb over.  We were higher than the 'legal' limit on fences next to a footpath, but noone ever complained.

thanks, it's front garden so 4ft is max i can go. 

I don't think you mentioned where the fence is going.

Is it between 2 driveways or next to a pavement?

Only saying as if you have a car or neighbours do you will have think about existing the drive safely as 4 foot high fence can obstruct a driver's view when leaving the driveway.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6637376/can-i-build-a-fence-in-front-garden

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6637377/what-does-dotted-line-on-title-deed-indicate

4' panels on top of concrete gravel boards will be a lot higher than the existing 2' wall.

Some of it is next to a highway, so the OP needs planning permission, as it's over 1m.

There’s no highway next to the property, just a normal road for parking cars. We already have 2ft wall with lot of tall trees.

I would contact your local council and ask the planning or highways department for the rules regarding fencing for the size you want.

If your neighbours have fencing over 1m I doesn't mean you can as they may be illegal or they have planning permission.

thanks, yes it will have to be 3ft facing road / pavement. 4ft is only between common neighbouring area.

Did you say that you are on a corner?

forgot to mention yes it's a corner house. but one wall is non pavement facing (common boundary with neighbouring house). Wondering what max height we can go to?

Eldi_Dos

As a aside to this, with the general increase in the size of cars over recent years there cannot be many drivers who's eyeline is below 4 foot  nowadays.

onomatopoeia99

Eldi_Dos said:

As a aside to this, with the general increase in the size of cars over recent years there cannot be many drivers who's eyeline is below 4 foot  nowadays.

Mine is.  I get blinded in stationary traffic at night from my wing mirror if an SUV is behind me on dipped beam. 

GDB2222

Eldi_Dos said:

As an aside to this, with the general increase in the size of cars over recent years there cannot be many drivers who's eyeline is below 4 foot  nowadays.

Looking on Autotrader, out of 450k cars, only 190k are SUVs. 

Albermarle

GDB2222 said:

Eldi_Dos said:

As an aside to this, with the general increase in the size of cars over recent years there cannot be many drivers who's eyeline is below 4 foot  nowadays.

Looking on Autotrader, out of 450k cars, only 190k are SUVs. 

Still a lot of SUVs, compared to a few years ago !

However in my untrendy/Dads estate car, my eyeline is almost exactly at 4 feet.

AC20

Does anyone know what max height can a fence with neighbouring property be (non pavement / highway facing). the fence is in front garden.