PIP renewal - Time scales and what happens next

born_again

Cyclamen said:

Thanks Markdavid.. but what a truly silly situation why not send renewal when they are ready to look at it. 
Its also blooming cruel to the person waiting.. extra stress.  

A brown envelope arrived yesterday.. turns out it was about warm home discount .. but the anxiety level and fear.. i wish they understood how this effects all of us.  Its brutal being judged on how disabled you are , waiting so long and drowning in medical evidence

I hope you too get the right award

Well at least it sounds like they have or are catching up. As last year we had waited over a year from actual date renewal was due, to getting a result. From dec 23 to March 25
Now that is stressful. 

poppy12345

Cyclamen said:

Thanks Poppy.. you are right they did change to white, years back the dwp used brown envelopes.. and its sort of stuck so in that moment logic wasn't working

Would the wait be the same if they only called people for review when they had the capacity to review them? I'm not so sure. I don't think they take months gathering evidence and reading the form, just assumed it was scanned in and left in a queue somewhere. 

Its a jolly long wait 

I didn’t have an assessment for my last review and I still waited almost a year. They very rarely contact anyone for any evidence so that certainly won’t be the reason for any delays. 

Cyclamen

New medical tests this last couple of weeks and GP has added a new diagnosis sonce renewal, and changed medications..  wondering if we should write to PIP ? 

born_again

Cyclamen said:

New medical tests this last couple of weeks and GP has added a new diagnosis sonce renewal, and changed medications..  wondering if we should write to PIP ? 

Just remember that PIP is not based on diagnosis. It is based on how your conditions effect the daily tasks. So in reality unless it is effecting the tasks (making them worse). There is little point.  

Spoonie_Turtle

You can if you want, just as extra evidence (assuming it's not changed his abilities to carry out the activities since his form was filled in). 

If it has changed his abilities since then, then yes you probably should so that when they get to doing the assessment, whether on paper or talking to him, they have the most accurate and up-to-date info.  But if not you can choose whether to bother or not.

Cyclamen

I was following the thought process that the diagnosis added 'evidence' to prove (not the right word) that his symptoms listed are real and causing problems explained in the answers. I dont see any changes from the reported stuff in the review just a medical label that explains them now, perhaps making them more visible to the PIP assessor?

I am on board with the 'its how your health is effected not the label' but would a diagnosis label and test results add evidence to the problems we have written about on the form.  If so should i send a covering letter stating.. since the review form these tests and appointments has happened and here are the results, diagnosis.  

born_again

Cyclamen said:

I was following the thought process that the diagnosis added 'evidence' to prove (not the right word) that his symptoms listed are real and causing problems explained in the answers. I dont see any changes from the reported stuff in the review just a medical label that explains them now, perhaps making them more visible to the PIP assessor?

I am on board with the 'its how your health is effected not the label' but would a diagnosis label and test results add evidence to the problems we have written about on the form.  If so should i send a covering letter stating.. since the review form these tests and appointments has happened and here are the results, diagnosis.  

While diagnosis does provide evidence that the person has the "Condition" it does not help evidence what they can do on a regular daily basis.

I take the example of my wife since being diagnosed with M/S she has gone in 8 years from being able to function as a pretty normal person to one that is a danger to herself & others in certain situations. Random falls, drops things for no reason being the most dangerous issues. Has gone from being able to walk well, to needing a wheel chair for anything other than a short distance, even then with support.
Which has resulted, when we started claiming about 5 years ago. From a low award to the last award of full on both parts.

Muttleythefrog

Cyclamen said:

I was following the thought process that the diagnosis added 'evidence' to prove (not the right word) that his symptoms listed are real and causing problems explained in the answers. I dont see any changes from the reported stuff in the review just a medical label that explains them now, perhaps making them more visible to the PIP assessor?

I am on board with the 'its how your health is effected not the label' but would a diagnosis label and test results add evidence to the problems we have written about on the form.  If so should i send a covering letter stating.. since the review form these tests and appointments has happened and here are the results, diagnosis.  

As above. Diagnosis is generally important as it makes it harder for them to dismiss problems which you describe in relation to the activities that are underpinned by consistent diagnosis. The assessors themselves will often refer to diagnosis to justify they choice of descriptor... 'Mr X says that he needs motivation, prompting and reminding to take his medication. This is supported by his severe depression diagnosis.

So not as such evidence unless in the diagnosis are listed things that tie with descriptors (and this can happen with some mental illnesses where sometimes the reasons stated for diagnosing the condition do align well with some claimed problems relevant to PIP) but underpinning claims and explanation of disablements in relation to PIP criteria.