School Street restrictions - Signage Regulations?

born_again

jimjames said:

born_again said:

This is one I go past.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Gt221pvCjbPY2QTV7

That's not great either if there is no sign on the main road before that turning

That is from the main road 🤦‍♀️👍

molerat

born_again said:

jimjames said:

born_again said:

This is one I go past.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Gt221pvCjbPY2QTV7

That's not great either if there is no sign on the main road before that turning

That is from the main road 🤦‍♀️👍

I think they mean there is no prior warning on the main road

MouldyOldDough

chrisw said:

MouldyOldDough said:

How do they actually enforce this new rule ?

Scary Signs, CCTV cameras or police presence ?

They've put one in near me and at the relevant times, someone (presumably a teacher?) goes out and puts those red and white workmen type barriers across the road and takes them in again afterwards.

So when a local resident or blue badge holder wants to drive through - what happens ?

MouldyOldDough

facade said:

MouldyOldDough said:

How do they actually enforce this new rule ?

Scary Signs, CCTV cameras or police presence ?

Cameras, the same as bus lanes, yellow box junctions etc.  No reason why they shouldn't be ANPR cameras, that check the VRN against a permit database, and then store the relevant footage.

So they have a data base of every blue badge holder in the country with every car that those blue badge holders may be driving or in ?

How can this work ?

sheramber

MouldyOldDough said:

facade said:

MouldyOldDough said:

How do they actually enforce this new rule ?

Scary Signs, CCTV cameras or police presence ?

Cameras, the same as bus lanes, yellow box junctions etc.  No reason why they shouldn't be ANPR cameras, that check the VRN against a permit database, and then store the relevant footage.

So they have a data base of every blue badge holder in the country with every car that those blue badge holders may be driving or in ?

How can this work ?

These restrictions are policed by the local authority , who will have a list of all blue badge holders in their area.

In Edinburgh

Residents and those who work in there can apply for a permit. The permit is for the car.

Visitors and delivery drivers cannot access during the relevant time periods. 

Remember the road are only closed during the relevant pre and post school hours, same as the 20 mph limits that operate around schools. 

Car_54

sheramber said:

MouldyOldDough said:

facade said:

MouldyOldDough said:

How do they actually enforce this new rule ?

Scary Signs, CCTV cameras or police presence ?

Cameras, the same as bus lanes, yellow box junctions etc.  No reason why they shouldn't be ANPR cameras, that check the VRN against a permit database, and then store the relevant footage.

So they have a data base of every blue badge holder in the country with every car that those blue badge holders may be driving or in ?

How can this work ?

These restrictions are policed by the local authority , who will have a list of all blue badge holders in their area.

In Edinburgh

Residents and those who work in there can apply for a permit. The permit is for the car.

Visitors and delivery drivers cannot access during the relevant time periods. 

Remember the road are only closed during the relevant pre and post school hours, same as the 20 mph limits that operate around schools. 

Except that those speed limits are only advisory.

Okell

jimjames said:

Our local council has been rolling out what they call "School Streets" which restrict access to certain roads outside schools during specific hours. Controlled by cameras which will generate fines for any vehicles accessing these roads within the specified hours. As yet another sign amongst a myriad of other street furniture they're not the easiest to see at the best of times but the latest one has been implemented on a crossroad junctions.

Signage is incredibly poor, maybe deliberately to catch more motorists, but I'm interested to know what the legal requirements are for signs enforcing such an area. Surely if there is a crossroads junction at the start of the zone the signs have to be visible and actually facing in the direction of traffic in every direction? There is a single sign only visible from one direction as it's parallel to the direction of travel for vehicles travelling across the junction or turning left/right into the zone. The sign is only facing the traffic driving in the direction of the zone. If you are turning you are only seeing the sign edge on.

Is there any requirement to have signs visible from every direction and facing the driver? Signs on both sides of the road to cover a vehicle parking and blocking the view? Again the sign is on the opposite side of road to the traffic and no signs on the same side.

You should go over to the flame pit at FTLA and ask them:  The Flame Pit

sheramber

Car_54 said:

sheramber said:

MouldyOldDough said:

facade said:

MouldyOldDough said:

How do they actually enforce this new rule ?

Scary Signs, CCTV cameras or police presence ?

Cameras, the same as bus lanes, yellow box junctions etc.  No reason why they shouldn't be ANPR cameras, that check the VRN against a permit database, and then store the relevant footage.

So they have a data base of every blue badge holder in the country with every car that those blue badge holders may be driving or in ?

How can this work ?

These restrictions are policed by the local authority , who will have a list of all blue badge holders in their area.

In Edinburgh

Residents and those who work in there can apply for a permit. The permit is for the car.

Visitors and delivery drivers cannot access during the relevant time periods. 

Remember the road are only closed during the relevant pre and post school hours, same as the 20 mph limits that operate around schools. 

Except that those speed limits are only advisory.

I was referring to the point that the li
kt only applied at certain times , not permanently.

They are advisory only if there is not a traffic  order in place. 

jimjames

chrisw said:

MouldyOldDough said:

How do they actually enforce this new rule ?

Scary Signs, CCTV cameras or police presence ?

They've put one in near me and at the relevant times, someone (presumably a teacher?) goes out and puts those red and white workmen type barriers across the road and takes them in again afterwards.

That would be a far better system as it would be impossible to miss. Any system that makes it easy to miss or impossible to see should not be implemented. I've had another look today. There is a warning sign about speed bumps on the road alerting to bumps in both left and right directions that has been there a decade but nothing similar to alert about the pedestrian zone which is arguably more important.