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son UC/carers/work

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  • Spoonie_Turtle
    Spoonie_Turtle Posts: 10,504 Forumite
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    Just for clarity:
    The earnings limit is only for Carers Allowance.  There is no earning limit for the carer element of UC, which is presumably what he would be claiming.

    [He could claim both and get class 1 NI credits from the CA as well as class 3 from UC, but the CA will be deducted in full from the UC so financially he wouldn't be any better off in the short or medium term.]
  • Robbie64
    Robbie64 Posts: 2,228 Forumite
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    edited 5 October at 10:33PM
    It's up to your son, but if he only claims Carer's Allowance (CA) he will get £83.30 per week. If he also claims Universal Credit (UC), his total weekly income will be £119.60 per week, an additional £36.30 per week. Carer's Allowance can be paid weekly. It can also be claimed online https://www.gov.uk/carers-allowance/how-to-claim
    Current waiting time for first payment has been in the region of two to three months, according to some posts in this forum.
    Your son can claim both CA and Universal Credit. If he chooses to do this, and decides to be paid CA weekly, he will receive £83.30 CA per week, with a monthly top of UC of £157.69.
  • KxMx
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    edited 5 October at 10:41PM
    OP's son is looking to work alongside caring, so wage deduction from UC is a factor to consider. 
    The work allowance doesn't apply to carers.

    I can see why the approach to claim Carers Allowance only is favoured in this situation. 
  • Thisisthelife
    Thisisthelife Posts: 21 Forumite
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    thank  you all some really good info

    he wants to also work and im keen for him to as i dont want him to get in a benefit trap iykwim,hes a good head on him and think him helping me and some work will be good short term but would be aiming for a good fulltime job its just not great out there at the moment for school leavers

    he has been helping out to be honest for years and he really wants to get out there,hopefully this will be shortish term but with all the good information uc is there if needed
  • Spoonie_Turtle
    Spoonie_Turtle Posts: 10,504 Forumite
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    edited 6 October at 12:22AM
    KxMx said:
    OP's son is looking to work alongside caring, so wage deduction from UC is a factor to consider. 
    The work allowance doesn't apply to carers.

    I can see why the approach to claim Carers Allowance only is favoured in this situation. 
    May as well get all he's entitled to in the meantime though - even if he closes his UC when he starts working.  He won't have any onerous requirements for claiming UC, and UC will entitle him to other support that CA won't.

    Up to him, of course, it's just if he does forgo £150+/month while he's looking for work it needs to be a fully informed decision.

    Edit: reading back now I see the thread moved quicker than me before, so I'd missed some posts.  Caught up now!
  • just a last one as i lost the single persons council tax support as my son left education and am now waiting for a ajusted bill,if he claims carers will it effect the bill more and do i need to tell them

    thanks

    There is a Council Tax disregard for sixth form school leavers.
    "school or college leavers still aged under 20 who have left school or college after 30 April. They will be disregarded until 1 November of the same year whether or not they take up employment"

    This is specifically mentioned on the Welsh government website but not the UK?England version.  It is in many Councils' individual websites and on various advice websites but I can not post links as a newbie. 

    I have joined this forum to see how widely Councils are systematically ignoring this discount and then overcharging households.  I hope to raise it awareness of this issue.


  • Robbie64
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    edited 7 October at 1:24PM
    just a last one as i lost the single persons council tax support as my son left education and am now waiting for a ajusted bill,if he claims carers will it effect the bill more and do i need to tell them

    thanks

    There is a Council Tax disregard for sixth form school leavers.
    "school or college leavers still aged under 20 who have left school or college after 30 April. They will be disregarded until 1 November of the same year whether or not they take up employment"

    This is specifically mentioned on the Welsh government website but not the UK?England version.  It is in many Councils' individual websites and on various advice websites but I can not post links as a newbie. 

    I have joined this forum to see how widely Councils are systematically ignoring this discount and then overcharging households.  I hope to raise it awareness of this issue.


    Thanks for highlighting this. It's an important disregard which seems to be little known and which is often overlooked by council benefit assessors.
    The discount / disregard is mentioned at https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/wales/housing/council-tax/council-tax-w/ (see under the heading Discounts)
    It means that the original poster can contact the council and ask for the 25% single person discount to be reinstated until 31 October.
  • pbez64
    pbez64 Posts: 8 Newbie
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    Remember council tax discounts and council tax support are different. As you are in receipt of appropriate benefits apply for a one regard discount because your son is classed as a family carer. This is 25% same as a single person's discount. Basically a one regard discount is where two or more people over 18 are resident but some of residents are disregarded-or not counted in simple terms!- so from day before his 18th birthday your Sp discount will end. Then you should get one regard from this date until the 31st October because he is disregarded as a person under 20 in f/t education so only you are counted/regarded-h3nce its name. From 1st November he should then be disregarded as a family carer-type B. I.e.he provides care for an average of 35 hours a week and lives in same property as person he is caring for who gets appropriate benefit. 

    This means your liability will be 75%. And any entitlement to council tax support/reduction (this used to be called council tax benefit until 2013 but is widely still known as it) is calculated on 75% liability not 100%


  • Thisisthelife
    Thisisthelife Posts: 21 Forumite
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    back in august i notified them that my son had finished his a levels and fulltime education
    before i was getting 100% council tax suppot but they said i would lose the 25% single part
    they are now amending things though they did say it would take 13 weeks due to backlog

    so now im a little confused,obviously my son has just put in a claim for CA only and will wait to inform council tax if he gets it but am concerned i will lose more council tax support

    thanks for all the help
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