A Capital Question of Grammar

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  • Shytalker
    Shytalker Forumite Posts: 32 Forumite
    Chambers (2000): "capitalize or -ise.....; to print or write with capital letters or an initial capital letter"

    This would indicate that the preferred spelling is with the z. :p

    Well, yes you are right but when the OED and other dictionaries adopted this policy, there was a fair bit of controversy in the U.K. These big publishers would prefer not to have any differences between British and American English.

    I think that the quality British newspapers are a better guide in this respect as they respect the British use of '-ise' better. Sorry that I am prolonging this boring subject.
  • redpete
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    Shytalker wrote: »
    Well, yes you are right but when the OED and other dictionaries adopted this policy, there was a fair bit of controversy in the U.K. These big publishers would prefer not to have any differences between British and American English.


    I think that the quality British newspapers are a better guide in this respect as they respect the British use of '-ise' better. Sorry that I am prolonging this boring subject.

    No, please do. I'd love to know why you think the OED, Chambers or Fowlers Modern English Usage state their position because of the demands of big publishers.
    loose does not rhyme with choose but lose does and is the word you meant to write.
  • redpete
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    I refuse to pander to companies who want to miss out capitals, or use them in funny places. So, for me, it's Ebay, Ipod, and Npower, and if they don't like it they can lump it.

    You'd hate the way my company's name is meant to be written. 'Q' at the beginning, 'Q' at the end and no 'u' to be seen at all.
    loose does not rhyme with choose but lose does and is the word you meant to write.
  • magyar
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    I work for a company which uses a small letter at the start of its name and its a nightmare!

    I find myself rewriting entire sentences because I WILL not start a sentence without a capital, but equally want to keep my job :o

    Personally I hate these stylistic things. My personal most-hated one is 'Pricewaterhousecoopers'. Ugh!
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  • magyar
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    redpete wrote: »
    No, please do. I'd love to know why you think the OED, Chambers or Fowlers Modern English Usage state their position because of the demands of big publishers.

    In fairness, although we use the dictionary as a 'bible'-type reference, the OED etc. would see their job as to reflect the English language. So if the usage or spelling of a word is changing, then they would change their entry.
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  • neverdespairgirl
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    redpete wrote: »
    You'd hate the way my company's name is meant to be written. 'Q' at the beginning, 'Q' at the end and no 'u' to be seen at all.

    Qintiq or similar? The one that was privatised from the MoD? You're right, I hate it!
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • Jennikay
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    cmylod wrote: »
    On the topic of grammar 'n' eating/shooting/leaving, the previos blog subject "Thank you from the MSF and I for all the thanks." should be shot down for the incorrect use of "I". Would you send thanks "from I"? Then why is "from the MSF and I" in there?

    Yes, it's called hypercorrection but it's just not right!

    Actually, if you are talking about yourself and someone else - you say 'John and I went to the beach', not 'John and me...'

    (That's according to my dad, I never say it right, and he always corrects me :p)
  • neverdespairgirl
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    Jennikay wrote: »
    Actually, if you are talking about yourself and someone else - you say 'John and I went to the beach', not 'John and me...'

    (That's according to my dad, I never say it right, and he always corrects me :p)

    The trick is to see what you'd use without the other person.

    So, as you'd say, "I went to the beach", you'd say, "John and I went to the beach".

    But you'd say, "thanks to all those who supported me..." and therefore, "thanks to all those who supported John and me...", not "John and I".
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • redpete
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    Qintiq or similar? The one that was privatised from the MoD? You're right, I hate it!

    It's even worse than that - QinetiQ.
    loose does not rhyme with choose but lose does and is the word you meant to write.
  • neverdespairgirl
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    redpete wrote: »
    It's even worse than that - QinetiQ.

    They can whistle for the extra capital as far as I'm concerned (-:
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
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