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Court claim for overstay at now closed Homebase site (G24)

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  • DrGronod
    DrGronod Posts: 29 Forumite
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    Doesn't matter what you put because DCB Legal always discontinue G24 claims before hearings. But you could copy this one with the brand new bits instead of the usual Template Defence paras 9 &10 which you can replace:

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6629202/bay-sentry-via-dcb-legal-issue-date-9th-September-poc-has-pleaded-the-alleged-contravention/p2
    FYI - putting in the new sections 9 to 12 to replace the old 9 & 10 and taking all white spaces between paragraphs leaves about 9 lines for section 3. I have managed to keep my personal summary quite brief to 7 lines (and you say it doesn’t matter for this lot)  but others may struggle I guess if it is critical. 

    Submitting today - thanks again for all help and guidance.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 154,672 Forumite
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    Thanks for that. I will work on making it more concise. It is only for DCB claims at the moment.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • DrGronod
    DrGronod Posts: 29 Forumite
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    Thanks for that. I will work on making it more concise. It is only for DCB claims at the moment.
    Actually I’m needing to add a couple of lines (forgot a salient point, although you do say it doesn’t matter but want to cover all bases!) - is there anything obvious I can miss out from the new paras?
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 154,672 Forumite
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    Show us the whole defence and we can spot a line or two that can be removed.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • DrGronod
    DrGronod Posts: 29 Forumite
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    Show us the whole defence and we can spot a line or two that can be removed.
    I’ve actually managed to get it all in now to the limit, but I’ll post it here anyway. Feels a bit of a squash removing the paragraph separators but needs must! Needs to go this afternoon. 
    TIA

    1. The Claimant’s sparse case lacks specificity and does not
    comply with CPR 16.4, 16PD3 or 16PD7, failing to 'state all facts
    necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of
    action'. The added costs/damages are an attempt at double recovery
    of capped legal fees (already listed in the claim) and are not
    monies genuinely owed to, or incurred by, this Claimant. The claim
    also exceeds the Code of Practice (CoP) £100 parking charge ('PC')
    maximum. Exaggerated claims for impermissible sums are good reason
    for the court to intervene. Whilst the Defendant reserves the
    right to amend the defence if details of the contract are
    provided, the court is invited to strike out the claim using its
    powers under CPR 3.4.
    2. The allegation(s) and heads of cost are vague and liability is
    denied for the sum claimed, or at all. At the very least, interest
    should be disallowed; the delay in bringing proceedings lies with
    the Claimant. The Defendant seeks fixed costs (CPR 27.14) and a
    finding of unreasonable conduct and further costs (CPR 46.5). The
    Defendant’s recollection of events are as set out below and admit
    that they were the registered keeper.
    3. Referring to the POC: paragraph 1 is denied. The Defendant is
    not indebted to the Claimant.
    3.1 The defendant parked at Woodside Retail Park Sheffield to shop
    at Homebase. Due to a closing down sale he spent a considerable
    amount of time deciding what to buy and subsequently spent £64.80
    (and £104.95 the following week), plus visiting the toilet. He had 
    no reason to believe he had overstayed the free parking limit as 
    the time was only spent in the store. The car park was barely a 
    3rd full and signage referring to the time limit minimal.
    4.  It is neither admitted nor denied that a term was breached but
    to form a contract, there must be an offer, acceptance, and
    valuable consideration (absent in this case). The Consumer Rights
    Act 2015 (s71) mandates a 'test of fairness' duty on Courts and
    sets a high bar for prominence of terms and 'consumer notices'.
    Paying regard to Sch2 (examples 6, 10, 14 & 18), also s62 and the
    duties of fair, open dealing/good faith, the Defendant notes that
    this Claimant reportedly uses unclear (unfair) terms/notices. On
    the limited information given, this case looks no different. The
    Claimant is put to strict proof with contemporaneous photographs.
    5. DVLA keeper data is only supplied on the basis of prior written
    landowner authority. The Claimant (an agent) is put to strict
    proof of their standing to sue and the terms, scope and dates of
    the landowner agreement, including the contract, updates,
    schedules and a map of the site boundary set by the landowner (not
    an unverified Google Maps aerial view).
    6. To impose a PC, as well as a breach, there must be: (i) a
    strong 'legitimate interest' extending beyond compensation for
    loss, and (ii) 'adequate notice' (prominence) of the PC and any
    relevant obligation(s). None of which have been demonstrated. This
    PC is a penalty arising as a result of a 'concealed pitfall or
    trap', poor signs and covert surveillance, thus it is fully
    distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC67.
    7. Attention is drawn to (i) paras 98, 100, 193, 198 of  Beavis
    (an £85 PC comfortably covered all letter chain costs and
    generated a profit shared with the landowner) and also to (ii) the
    binding judgment in ParkingEye v Somerfield Stores ChD [2011] EWHC
    4023(QB) which remains unaffected by Beavis and stands as the only
    parking case law that deals with costs abuse. HHJ Hegarty held in
    paras 419-428 (High Court, later ratified by the CoA) that 'admin
    costs' inflating a £75 PC (already increased from £37.50) to £135
    were disproportionate to the minor cost of an automated
    letter-chain and 'would appear to be penal'.
    8. The Parking (Code of Practice) Act will curb rogue conduct by
    operators and their debt recovery agents (DRAs). The Government
    recently launched a Public Consultation considered likely to bring
    in a ban on DRA fees, which a 2022 Minister called ‘extorting
    money from motorists’. They have identified in July 2025: 'profit
    being made by DRAs is significantly higher than ... by parking
    operators' and 'the high profits may be indicative of these firms
    having too much control over the market, thereby indicating that
    there is a market failure'.
    9.  The recent High Court judgment in Mazur and Stuart v Charles
    Russell Speechlys LLP [2025] EWHC 2341 (KB) underlines the
    importance of ensuring litigation is carried out by qualified and
    authorised professionals. It cuts into the heart of bulk
    litigation and rips it out. In this case, the POC signatory does
    not appear to be on the SRA list for DCB Legal and the staff
    drawing up legal documents and attending Court Mediation to
    negotiate settlements are believed to be paralegals. Even if
    acting under supervision, this new authority holds that
    unauthorised staff cannot conduct litigation.
    10. That is before even considering the doctrine of champerty in
    private parking cases, where some of these 'debt recovery' law
    firms are known to advertise that they 'front' court fees to fuel
    bulk litigation for commercial profit only when a sum is
    recovered. If this is the model used here - and the Claimant is
    put to strict proof to the contrary - paying £ hundreds of
    thousands in court fees per annum and maintaining boilerplate
    parking claims with no sign of client (or authorised solicitor)
    involvement in the cases litigated looks to be contrary to public
    policy, as well as in breach of DVLA KADOE rules where the parking
    operator must be the data controller throughout. The arrangement
    would be unenforceable as a result. In Tactus Holdings Limited (in
    admin) v Philip Mark Jordan & Ors [2025] EWHC 133 (Comm), the High
    Court recently handed down an important reminder that,
    notwithstanding the changing nature of public policy, the rules
    against champerty and maintenance remain. See also Farrar & Anor v
    Miller [2022] EWCA Civ 295
    11.  With or without a physical Deed of Assignment, claimants
    cannot assign a bare cause of action and solicitor firms must not
    engage in arrangements that give them a purely commercial interest
    in their clients' litigation. This law firm is believed to act on
    a bulk data exchange 'no-win-no-fee' basis. In view of that and
    the landmark Speechlys case (where submissions from both the SRA
    and Law Society were sought and the High Court held that
    'supervision' by a solicitor is not sufficient) this parking firm
    Claimant - NOT the law firm - is put to strict proof that they are
    involved in all their cases, that their agents' conduct is lawful
    and that the staff are authorised to conduct litigation. Whilst
    contingency fee arrangements are not illegal per se, in order to
    uphold the integrity of the solicitor-client relationship and the
    role of solicitors as officers of the court, this sort of bulk
    litigation can and should be disallowed, particularly when the
    court service is overwhelmed and this industry has been identified
    by the last two Governments as in 'market failure'
    (super-profiteering is suggested by the MHCLG in the
    Summer 2025 Consultation).
    12. The court is invited to strike out the claim and grant the
    Defendant's costs on the indemnity basis due to wholly
    unreasonable conduct. Although costs do not usually apply in the
    small claims track (r.38.6(3)), the White Book notes they may be
    awarded for unreasonable conduct (r.27.14(2)(dg)) including in 
    cases of late discontinuance, if that now occurs.
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