FORECOURT EYE / LACK OF EVIDENCE

la531983

just_a_guy said:

la531983 said:

just_a_guy said:

la531983 said:

What do you think happened?

- You went to a petrol station, filled up, paid, and left

Or

- You went to a petrol station, but for some reason you didn't put any fuel in (changed your mind, an emergency came up etc) and therefore left without drawing fuel?

Or something else?

If the former don't you have a bank statement showing payment made?

I believe it is one of 2 scenarios.   I filled up and drove off, or I left without putting any fuel in.

I regularly pull up at the pump to look at the price of E5, and drive off if its too high.

Have you got a transaction from the day in question?

As an aside if you are 100% sure you are innocent why are you worried about them adding another £60 on?

No judge in the land will accept one single picture as proof. Going that far will force them to show their hand, and would get discontinued well before then if they had nothing.

I do not have any transactions for that day or 48hrs either side for the garage in question.

I'm 100% sure until they produce a picture of me stood with the nozzle in the tank.  (I work on the fact that I could also be wrong, but just want to see the proof before I handover my money).

I thought the same about the judge / pic comment.   Currently I am considered guilty of not paying for fuel because I drive onto a forecourt and got out of my car.

No, an organisation has made an accusation seemingly based on one still image.

If you are adamant you are innocent take it to the end and they will have to produce more evidence than they already have. Spoiler - they wont.

Car1980

Castle said:

just_a_guy said:

Afternoon,

After a few google searches of what to do, I have ended up here for some advice / chew the fat.

On 12th May, it is alleged that I made off without paying for fuel.  Forecourt Eye have written to me on 11th July (2months later), asking that I pay £82.93 for fuel, plus £35.00 admin fee.

 

Can your vehicle actually take £82.93 of fuel. (At £1.33/litre, (average May 2025 price), that's 62 litres).

That's an excellent point. Most cars are 55 litres, and that's completely empty.

What model of car do you have?

eddddy

just_a_guy said:

I asked Forecourteye if they had a photo of me pushing the nozzle in the car or picking it up, and they said no.   To which I said, well how does the picture prove I put fuel in my car!  

I doubt that the photo would be the key evidence presented by the petrol station - it sounds like the key evidence would be a witness statement by the petrol station cashier.

e.g. The cashier says something like "I witnessed a driver filling their car with petrol, and I suspected that they weren't going to pay, so I took a photo of the driver and their car reg number - to help identify the driver later."

Or maybe "I take a photo of every driver and car that fills up with petrol - just in case a driver doesn't pay (because we don't have cctv). I witnessed this specific driver fill up with petrol without paying. So I kept the image of the non-paying driver and their car reg number - to help identify the driver later."


So, in simple terms, if it ended up in court - the petrol station cashier would provide their statement, you would  provide your statement (with any other evidence) - and the court would decide whose version of events is most likely to be true - based on the balance of probabilities. 

Coupon-mad

But that won't happen and ForecourtEye wouldn't win.

There's insufficient evidence and no contract with ForecourtEye. Game over for them in terms of using small claims to try to dress up alleged theft as if it is a contract law agreement!

Have you all seen their signs?! I have. They are every bit  as laughable as awwwd Trev Whitehouse's efforts.

Loosely stuck on a pillar seven feet up.

HALF the size of an A4 sheet of paper!

That's placed next to an A4 sheet.

And the £100 doesn't appear on most of these signs. Spotted it in that image? I don't think it's even there. No contract.

The person who picked that one up off the pavement outside a garage forecourt told me it doesn't even stay stuck on their fridge, let alone to a wall or pillar!

Here's the back:


They use poor glue no better than a post-it note, yet these are *supposedly* designed to withstand conditions in polluted and unsheltered outdoor sites. Looks like someone's created these in their back bedroom.

Yes, some of them do have £100 in 'big' but are so ripped & weather-beaten and the other text so tiny that the terms can't be read.

I saw this one on a trip out & about:



They can't invoke keeper liability either but they pretend they can.

It's like a house of cards. It'll blow over if you as much as sneeze at it! This is best ignored under the circumstances.

Certainly the OP should ignore Trace Debt Recovery when those letters arrive. Nobody engages with them. Very interested to see if Moorside Legal try a court claim.

There's NO CCJ DANGER as long as you don't move house without telling Trace & Forecourt Eye, and come here if you get a claim.

Do not ignore that!

But no paying.

What fun if this goes to Moorside and they use boilerplate POC about the POFA. It would be a classic case for Contestor Legal's 'no win no fee' strike out service.

I'm not surprised that UKCPS is behind all this. Interested to see from the DVLA who requested your data.