Changing rota's without informing.

EnPointe

FlorayG said:

I believe employers have to give notice of a change of shift. That would mean a 'phone call or email, not just changing it on the rota

or the push notifications  that the rot a system uses  assuming the  worker has actually privider up to date email / mobile  number information  AND  bothers to read their  notifications 

EnPointe

Undervalued said:

Bob2000 said:

My nephew works in a supermarket  part time which he's been with for 3 years and since he's had a new dept manager his rotas are being changed online without informing  him or his colleges.

I've  always thought  that once rotas are displayed  on his work app they can't be touched  for 3 weeks  unless  you agree to the changes?

A few times he's gone to work and been told  that he's not in or to early /late. Even when he's got a photoshot of the original  rotas.

Can he insisted  on working  from the earlier  original  rota times?

Thanks anybody that know.

That might be your (and perhaps some other) employer's policy but the law is not that specific.

In the absence of a clear policy, which might make it a contractual entitlement, it would come down to our old legal friend of what is reasonable!

exactly  this 

 when i worked for the Ambulance service and whether  fixed  rota or Pool relief   shifts can and did get changed right up to the last minute ( less than 24 hours notice attracting a  disturbance payment ) but generally  that was moving start / finsih times by an hour  or so to pair people up into crews or asking you to sign on at a different station to either make up a crew  or because of where  there were available  vehicles ( as although it cost the mileage for personal cars  to do that you  got the full shift length out of the crew ) ... 

TELLIT01

I can understand emergency services needing extreme flexibility, but the person in question is a part time employee at a supermarket.

Bob2000

LightFlare said:

How far in advance of the shift are the changes being made ?

After the first time, (or at least the 2nd) I would think he would have thought to himself to check the night/day before and check for any changes

Well, he says sometimes  they can change them within 24 hours other times week later or so.

He doesn't always get a good signal with his phone and like the union rep told him. " That's the whole point of having 3 weeks in advance so he can plan his life outside of job".
Which l think is a fair point.

Never was a issue with the old manager, so looks like it's down to the new one not knowing how to do them properly  l guess?

Bob2000

TELLIT01 said:

LightFlare said:

How far in advance of the shift are the changes being made ?

After the first time, (or at least the 2nd) I would think he would have thought to himself to check the night/day before and check for any changes

Is it reasonable to change rotas so often that staff have to check every day to find out when their next shift is?  Nobody's life should revolve around an ever changing shift rota.  That makes it impossible plan anything outside work.  The problem isn't the staff, it's an utterly incompetent manager.

I think he feels the same. Like l would.

Bob2000

FlorayG said:

I believe employers have to give notice of a change of shift. That would mean a 'phone call or email, not just changing it on the rota

He's sent emails directly  to his dept manager and they have said they have answered them. But when he's checked no reply. 

Bob2000

EnPointe said:

FlorayG said:

I believe employers have to give notice of a change of shift. That would mean a 'phone call or email, not just changing it on the rota

or the push notifications  that the rot a system uses  assuming the  worker has actually privider up to date email / mobile  number information  AND  bothers to read their  notifications 

Yes all up to date. 
And he does read all the emails he's sent and does all the courses on his work app.

Bob2000

gwynlas said:

Even if there was a fixed rota there is usually a get out clause of meeting the needs of the service.

Your nephew should be checking his rota regularly and as long as it does not interfere with other committments go with the flow.

He should be able to talk to his manager if changes are being made a very short notice and perhaps say that he cannot make the change requested. It could be that either the management is very lenient towards certain staff or see your nephew as a flexible asset they can use to their advantage.

He does speak to the new manager and tells them he can't work certain  days(never been a issue before, because he goes weekly to a support  group) 
And he does go beyond ihs role and his willing to help out on other dept if needed. Unlike other colleges l gather?

Bob2000

LightFlare said:

TELLIT01 said:

LightFlare said:

How far in advance of the shift are the changes being made ?

After the first time, (or at least the 2nd) I would think he would have thought to himself to check the night/day before and check for any changes

Is it reasonable to change rotas so often that staff have to check every day to find out when their next shift is?  Nobody's life should revolve around an ever changing shift rota.  That makes it impossible plan anything outside work.  The problem isn't the staff, it's an utterly incompetent manager.

Not at all reasonable - but knowing there is some “history” doesn’t mean some level of proactive measures can’t be taken whilst the bigger issue is resolved.

The OP hasn’t mentioned how far in advance the changes have been made - hence my asking as the response will govern how reasonable or not the changes are

LightFlare said:

TELLIT01 said:

LightFlare said:

How far in advance of the shift are the changes being made ?

After the first time, (or at least the 2nd) I would think he would have thought to himself to check the night/day before and check for any changes

Is it reasonable to change rotas so often that staff have to check every day to find out when their next shift is?  Nobody's life should revolve around an ever changing shift rota.  That makes it impossible plan anything outside work.  The problem isn't the staff, it's an utterly incompetent manager.

Not at all reasonable - but knowing there is some “history” doesn’t mean some level of proactive measures can’t be taken whilst the bigger issue is resolved.

The OP hasn’t mentioned how far in advance the changes have been made - hence my asking as the response will govern how reasonable or not the changes are

Rota can be changed in a 24 hour period  or a week or so later.