ParkingEye Terms and conditions

disgruntleddriver2025

Coupon-mad said:

disgruntleddriver2025 said:

The ANPR does show that the location was pitch-black other than my dipped headlights though - which didn't highlight that first "permit holders only" sign due to the height - perhaps I could use that in the defence?

Yes. We already said you will use that.

And where was this 'terminal in reception' that the PCN talks about. Reception of what premises? Were they even open? Did PEye show a pic of the keypad terminal (and signs inside the premises) to POPLA? Can you get a pic of those?

The "terminal in reception" in relation to the location listed would have to have been inside the lobby of the building associated, which would have been open. PEye provided no photos of this keypad terminal, no photos of signs inside the premises. I don't have photos of these myself and would have to return there to take photos (not a short journey at present).

I did some quick research as suggested, it's darker than even the darkest reference ANPR images at Covert IR (940nm)

That aside, It sounds like you both are saying I should keep my statements in the general form of "unreadable & unlit signs at night".

disgruntleddriver2025

disgruntleddriver2025 said:

Coupon-mad said:

disgruntleddriver2025 said:

The ANPR does show that the location was pitch-black other than my dipped headlights though - which didn't highlight that first "permit holders only" sign due to the height - perhaps I could use that in the defence?

Yes. We already said you will use that.

And where was this 'terminal in reception' that the PCN talks about. Reception of what premises? Were they even open? Did PEye show a pic of the keypad terminal (and signs inside the premises) to POPLA? Can you get a pic of those?

The "terminal in reception" in relation to the location listed would have to have been inside the lobby of the building associated, which would have been open. PEye provided no photos of this keypad terminal, no photos of signs inside the premises. I don't have photos of these myself and would have to return there to take photos (not a short journey at present).

This is also true of the other building not mentioned in the PCN, but mentioned in the POPLA evidence.

Gr1pr

Unlit signage etc is definitely a defence point, always is,  as are hidden keypad issues etc, signage should be clear if registration was required,  an e-permit as mentioned above by coupon mad 

The point is to stay on point with good rebuttal arguments,  especially against the POC,  your whole case is centred on those aspects,  nothing to do with Parking bays or roadway markings which you got distracted by 

disgruntleddriver2025

Gr1pr said:

Unlit signage etc is definitely a defence point, always is,  as are hidden keypad issues etc, signage should be clear if registration was required,  an e-permit as mentioned above by coupon mad 

The point is to stay on point with good rebuttal arguments,  especially against the POC,  your whole case is centred on those aspects,  nothing to do with Parking bays or roadway markings which you got distracted by 

So along the lines of there being no visible keypad/pay terminal in the vicinity of the parking area in addition to the already mentioned unlit signs.

disgruntleddriver2025

Thanks for all the advice, much appreciated

Car1980

Can you show us the whole of the original PCN, back and front?

Gr1pr

disgruntleddriver2025 said:

Gr1pr said:

Unlit signage etc is definitely a defence point, always is,  as are hidden keypad issues etc, signage should be clear if registration was required,  an e-permit as mentioned above by coupon mad 

The point is to stay on point with good rebuttal arguments,  especially against the POC,  your whole case is centred on those aspects,  nothing to do with Parking bays or roadway markings which you got distracted by 

So along the lines of there being no visible keypad/pay terminal in the vicinity of the parking area in addition to the already mentioned unlit signs.

And hopefully the lack of how and where to input the vrm details 

Signs are to offer a contract , the terms and conditions on offer and how and where to comply with them

If a VRM keypad or Ipad is in the concierge office in building A, the sign should say so , shouldn't it  ?

I recently visited a pub restaurant where the signs mentioned registering the VRM details at the reception or bar inside the business 

Edit

Your pcn letter below clearly mentions that VRM details were not entered at reception  ( so as mentioned earlier,  nothing to do with Parking bays or road markings  )

disgruntleddriver2025

Car1980 said:

Can you show us the whole of the original PCN, back and front?

Without the personal information, yes:

disgruntleddriver2025

Gr1pr said:

If a VRM keypad or Ipad is in the concierge office in building A, the sign should say so , shouldn't it  ?

I recently visited a pub restaurant where the signs mentioned registering the VRM details at the reception or bar inside the business 

The sign says:
"Permit Holders Only"
"For use by (Location "
"For (Location A) please use the basement carpark"

but then says "to obtain a permit, you must report to (Location A) with your full, correct vehicle registration"

which is pretty confusing...

disgruntleddriver2025

disgruntleddriver2025 said:

Gr1pr said:

If a VRM keypad or Ipad is in the concierge office in building A, the sign should say so , shouldn't it  ?

I recently visited a pub restaurant where the signs mentioned registering the VRM details at the reception or bar inside the business 

The sign says:
"Permit Holders Only"
"For use by (Location B )"
"For (Location A) please use the basement carpark"

For clarity, location B, not location smiley face!