Nuki (or similar) unlocking for multi-point doors

TMSG

We've booked a few airbnb properties over the last two years and some of these (all on the continent) had a clever locking system where a Nuki lock opening device sits on the key which in turn is in the cylinder (inside of course). The Nuki simply turns the key if you want to enter or leave and this can also be done remotely. Very clever and we've been thinking of perhaps getting this (or a similar) device. See

https://www.ultion-lock.co.uk/ultion-nuki/

Problem is that we have a multi-point door which requires first to unlock (the Nuki can probably do that from what I've read) and then to push the handle downwards to unlock the multi-point locking. I have seen a few pages and most seem to imply that it'll work if the user pushes the handle quickly enough. So I think but am not at all sure that this will work fully with the Nuki device.
Is there anyone using this or similar to open/close a multi-point door? All advice greatly appreciated!

DullGreyGuy

TMSG said:

We've booked a few airbnb properties over the last two years and some of these (all on the continent) had a clever locking system where a Nuki lock opening device sits on the key which in turn is in the cylinder (inside of course). The Nuki simply turns the key if you want to enter or leave and this can also be done remotely. Very clever and we've been thinking of perhaps getting this (or a similar) device. See

https://www.ultion-lock.co.uk/ultion-nuki/

Problem is that we have a multi-point door which requires first to unlock (the Nuki can probably do that from what I've read) and then to push the handle downwards to unlock the multi-point locking. I have seen a few pages and most seem to imply that it'll work if the user pushes the handle quickly enough. So I think but am not at all sure that this will work fully with the Nuki device.
Is there anyone using this or similar to open/close a multi-point door? All advice greatly appreciated!

Took me a minute to work out the device is on the inside of the door not the outside!

I would have thought the opposite is the problem, that the user may try to push the handle down too soon before the device has finished turning the key which may cause it to abort or such. Similarly the user would presumably have to lift the handle to engage the multipoint before it attempts to lock, certainly ours cannot be locked before engaging the multipoint. 

Their FAQ covers the handle based engagement and says you need to lift the handle first then tell it to lock so some features like the auto lock will be a little limited in function. 

TMSG

So I've talked to someone who has an original Nuki (not the Ultion version) and he did not sound totally positive. Locking is easy as the user has just to remember to push up the handle before triggering the lock op. Opening from the outside seems the problem as the sequence is trigger unlock (ie turn key), push down handle and then the key has to be turned again which may or may not work.
Perhaps I'll give the Ultion guys a ring.
And thanks for answering.

DullGreyGuy

TMSG said:

So I've talked to someone who has an original Nuki (not the Ultion version) and he did not sound totally positive. Locking is easy as the user has just to remember to push up the handle before triggering the lock op. Opening from the outside seems the problem as the sequence is trigger unlock (ie turn key), push down handle and then the key has to be turned again which may or may not work.
Perhaps I'll give the Ultion guys a ring.
And thanks for answering.

Dont understand why unlocking from the outside would be as described? 

If theirs was a handless multipoint then could see there may be a need to trigger it twice or such because the first turn unlocks and the second turn retracts the latch but they say the current version does work with handless. On the basis they have a handle by definition of saying they have to push down on it I cannot see how/why a second unlock would be needed?

Ultimately you are marrying up three different devices here, the multipoint system, the euro-cylinder and the smart device. Inevitably there are variants of how these things work etc and so you may get some odd results. With our euro-cylinder you cannot unlock from the outside if there is a key in the lock on the inside so just the smart device alone wouldnt work. They've bypassed that by at least selling the cylinder and smart device as a single package. 

Oddly they dont seem to give an option on cylinder lengths so not sure how well it will work with a door a little thicker than normal etc.