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Letter Of Claim from Kearns Solicitors

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  • sourcrates
    sourcrates Posts: 31,638 Ambassador
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    Because they are lazy and incompetent that`s why, they are supposed to write and inform you of the purchase, but this does not always happen.

    Its quite common for these companies to engage a 3rd party to collect these debts, sometimes a collection company, sometimes a solicitor, as in this instance. their approach to due diligence can be laughable at times, as I said above, never underestimate how stupid they can be.
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  • ZoeB23
    ZoeB23 Posts: 90 Forumite
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    Update! 

    I requested a copy of the CCA from Kearns on 25th of March, they replied with the copy as I mentioned above dated 29th April. I since found out that a creditor must provide a copy of the agreement on request within 12 working days, or he becomes unable to enforce the agreement.

    They obviously took longer so I responded telling them this and also stated that the statement showed the last payment was in 2015 making it statute barred. 

    Today I've received a letter from HM courts and tribunals with a response pack. I need to know whether I can dispute this on my own or if the courts will still pursue regardless and I'm wasting my time. Any help and guidance would be much appreciated. 

  • sourcrates
    sourcrates Posts: 31,638 Ambassador
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    The 12 working days response time quoted in sec 77, stems from 1978, and are just guidelines, not actual rules.

    The unenforceability only lasts until the lender does send you what you requested.

    You need to follow the court process now, if I remember rightly we assumed they were unaware of payments made since 2015, so you should defend the claim on the basis the debt is statute barred, and see where it leads you.
    I’m a Forum Ambassador and I support the Forum Team on the Debt free wannabe, Credit file and ratings, and Bankruptcy and living with it boards. If you need any help on these boards, do let me know. Please note that Ambassadors are not moderators. Any posts you spot in breach of the Forum Rules should be reported via the report button, or by emailing forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. All views are my own and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.For free non-judgemental debt advice, contact either Stepchange, National Debtline, or CitizensAdviceBureaux.Link to SOA Calculator- https://www.stoozing.com/soa.php The "provit letter" is here-https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2607247/letter-when-you-know-nothing-about-about-the-debt-aka-prove-it-letter
  • ZoeB23
    ZoeB23 Posts: 90 Forumite
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    Thank you for your response.
    Do you have much knowledge of this process? If I defend myself and I'm unsuccessful will I the have to attend court and end up owing more? 
  • sourcrates
    sourcrates Posts: 31,638 Ambassador
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    edited 12 July at 4:40PM
    You don`t normally attend court, this is a fast track system, if everyone defending a debt claim attended court in person, it would collapse the system within weeks.

    No, its all done by post and online, you complete the defence form and submit it to the address provided in the response pack, your defence should be simple and to the point:

     "time has run out for the creditor to collect on this debt as I believe it to be statute barred under section 5, limitation act 1980".

    That all you need to put, let them either agree that`s the case or provide evidence to the court to the contrary.

    Best outcome, you win, don`t have to pay anything, you walk away with head held high.

    Worst case scenario, you lose, they prove their case, you repay what is owed at an affordable monthly amount agreed with the court.

    Pretty simple and straightforward, no real downside to it, you would have a CCJ on file, but you won`t be much worse off than you are currently.
    I’m a Forum Ambassador and I support the Forum Team on the Debt free wannabe, Credit file and ratings, and Bankruptcy and living with it boards. If you need any help on these boards, do let me know. Please note that Ambassadors are not moderators. Any posts you spot in breach of the Forum Rules should be reported via the report button, or by emailing forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. All views are my own and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.For free non-judgemental debt advice, contact either Stepchange, National Debtline, or CitizensAdviceBureaux.Link to SOA Calculator- https://www.stoozing.com/soa.php The "provit letter" is here-https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2607247/letter-when-you-know-nothing-about-about-the-debt-aka-prove-it-letter
  • ZoeB23
    ZoeB23 Posts: 90 Forumite
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    You don`t normally attend court, this is a fast track system, if everyone defending a debt claim attended court in person, it would collapse the system within weeks.

    No, its all done by post and online, you complete the defence form and submit it to the address provided in the response pack, your defence should be simple and to the point:

     "time has run out for the creditor to collect on this debt as I believe it to be statute barred under section 5, limitation act 1980".

    That all you need to put, let them either agree that`s the case or provide evidence to the court to the contrary.

    Best outcome, you win, don`t have to pay anything, you walk away with head held high.

    Worst case scenario, you lose, they prove their case, you repay what is owed at an affordable monthly amount agreed with the court.

    Pretty simple and straightforward, no real downside to it, you would have a CCJ on file, but you won`t be much worse off than you are currently.
    Thank you for explaining.
    If I do lose and I repay what is owed, I still receive a CCJ? 
  • sourcrates
    sourcrates Posts: 31,638 Ambassador
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    Yes if you lose, you will get a CCJ, but all that means is you get a court approved payment plan, that`s all a CCJ is.

    Yes its bad for your credit worthiness, and it may affect some jobs if you work in finance for example, but in the vast majority of cases its nothing to fret about.

    But think positively, you can win this.
    I’m a Forum Ambassador and I support the Forum Team on the Debt free wannabe, Credit file and ratings, and Bankruptcy and living with it boards. If you need any help on these boards, do let me know. Please note that Ambassadors are not moderators. Any posts you spot in breach of the Forum Rules should be reported via the report button, or by emailing forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. All views are my own and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.For free non-judgemental debt advice, contact either Stepchange, National Debtline, or CitizensAdviceBureaux.Link to SOA Calculator- https://www.stoozing.com/soa.php The "provit letter" is here-https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2607247/letter-when-you-know-nothing-about-about-the-debt-aka-prove-it-letter
  • ManyWays
    ManyWays Posts: 1,392 Forumite
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    If you lose and you can repay the CCJ in full within one month the CCJ on your record will be deleted. This lets people defend a court claim, secure in the knowledge that if they lose they can still clear it.
  • ZoeB23
    ZoeB23 Posts: 90 Forumite
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    ManyWays said:
    If you lose and you can repay the CCJ in full within one month the CCJ on your record will be deleted. This lets people defend a court claim, secure in the knowledge that if they lose they can still clear it.
    Oh really, thank you for letting me know. I've had a look online and seen different things. I would be in a position to pay it if I do lose, but I've not come across anything yet that says you have a month to pay it and the ccj would be removed. I can't risk it staying on my credit file that's why I need to be 100% sure to defend. 
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