Tenancy where EPC had expired

Tank40

saajan_12 said:

Tank40 said:

The property's EPC rating is D which seemed a bit optimistic and as it had only been done in early November 2024, I looked at the previous certificate which was E and the only change is (allegedly) energy saving bulbs were fitted. So apart from doubting the accuracy of the later EPC, when the first contract was signed there wasn't a valid EPC at all.

How are these two statements in bold consistent?
What was the date of this previous certificate and how were you able to see if it it wasn't there at when the first contract was signed? 

The previous EPC (the E rated one) ran out the month before they signed the original tenancy agreement. At the time I only looked at the contract sent to my daughter. I found it on the government EPC register when I discovered it is not in the Dropbox of documents along with deposit agreement etc.

Tank40

Flugelhorn said:

Voyager2002 said:

No one has addressed the central question: if the EPC provided at the time the tenancy began was misleading/defective, does that allow them to break the contract?

wasn't there another where they decided they didn't like the property and were looking to get out of the contract and find somewhere else nearer the boyfriend's uni?

Yes, this thread is about the EPC. The other was intended to be more to do with strategies for leaving a contract.

Tank40

FlorayG said:

Voyager2002 said:

No one has addressed the central question: if the EPC provided at the time the tenancy began was misleading/defective, does that allow them to break the contract?

No it doesn't, because currently EPCs are subjective anyway - two different assessors may give different ratings, especially if it is close. Plus, the LL only supplies the EPC as given, the LL doesn't have any control over it so you can't blame the LL for it.
Once you have signed then only negotiation with the LL will allow you to escape the contract

It was the same assessor. I am trying to establish with my daughter if they actually visited the property to do the 2nd EPC issued Nov 2024.

subjecttocontract

But the current EPC hasn't expired. It was done in November 2024 and will be valid for 10 years. 

Tank40

subjecttocontract said:

But the current EPC hasn't expired. It was done in November 2024 and will be valid for 10 years. 

There wasn't a valid unexpired EPC when it was on the market March 2024 though and a valid EPC wasn't supplied in the document pack with the contract. I thought that was required?

Yes they've got one in place for the July 2025 to June 2026 contract they signed but I'm going to question it as it seems to paint the property in a rosy glow.

Tank40

silvercar said:

I in older buildings it is often necessary to heat the fabric of the building for a good few hours to then be able to maintain heat. Were they doing this? In modern properties you can get away with turning the heating on for short bursts, but with colder walls and single glazing this isn’t going to work. Also need curtains that will help keep the heat in.

We don't think they even visited the property in November 2024 to do the current EPC, at least not without consent. Same assessor that came in 2014 apparently.

subjecttocontract

Tank40 said:

subjecttocontract said:

But the current EPC hasn't expired. It was done in November 2024 and will be valid for 10 years. 

There wasn't a valid unexpired EPC when it was on the market March 2024 though and a valid EPC wasn't supplied in the document pack with the contract. I thought that was required?

Yes they've got one in place for the July 2025 to June 2026 contract they signed but I'm going to question it as it seems to paint the property in a rosy glow.
ould have needed to either :

Before marketing they would need to have either:
* A valid EPC in place or
* Have ordered an EPC assessment.

bobster2

You did make it clear on the other thread that the reason for them wanting to exit this tenancy has nothing to do with the EPC...

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6593649/ending-joint-severally-liable-tenancy-early

I think you're clutching at straws with the EPC angle - and they should just try to negotiate something with the landlord.

Tank40

subjecttocontract said:

Tank40 said:

subjecttocontract said:

But the current EPC hasn't expired. It was done in November 2024 and will be valid for 10 years. 

There wasn't a valid unexpired EPC when it was on the market March 2024 though and a valid EPC wasn't supplied in the document pack with the contract. I thought that was required?

Yes they've got one in place for the July 2025 to June 2026 contract they signed but I'm going to question it as it seems to paint the property in a rosy glow.
ould have needed to either :

Before marketing they would need to have either:
* A valid EPC in place or
* Have ordered an EPC assessment.

Neither of which was the case, unless it took the assessor 9 months to do it.
Anyhow, that issue pertains to the current contract so as Bobster says, we're clutching at straws.