PCN Help - Cash Paid

Coupon-mad

Squibalicous said:

Thank you, I did see it but what I'm trying to say is I've already completed something online when doing the appeal so that's why I'm checking it's all still ok to do that as well.  I really don't want anyone turning up at my brother's house looking for me.

We know. It doesn't matter.

Get him to transfer liability to you as driver, with your non-UK address.

I really don't want anyone turning up at my brother's house looking for me.

Errrr...that's not what happens. No risk!

By the way, Initial don't have CCTV. You can't ask for that.  They don't use CCTV only ANPR.

When you get a POPLA Code, you should be repeating that you paid £x in cash at their machine, around APPROX TIME and state that they failed to check for a 'keying error' which is the only explanation, and failed to offer to settle at £20 which is a breach of the Code of Practice for keying errors. Initial have not proved that no payment was made by cash and have not disproved a keying error.

Squibalicous

I really appreciate everyone's advice here.  I've sent the email asking for erasure of data and to update as discussed earlier.

The land it's on does have CCTV as I believe it's council owned land.

I do have a POPLA code so I will also try that route too.  You guys are truly awesome.  I'm feeling a little less nervous.

Fruitcake

Squibalicous said:

I really appreciate everyone's advice here.  I've sent the email asking for erasure of data and to update as discussed earlier.

The land it's on does have CCTV as I believe it's council owned land.

I do have a POPLA code so I will also try that route too.  You guys are truly awesome.  I'm feeling a little less nervous.

I doubt it's council owned. If it were, it would be not-relevant land and therefore the PPC would be unable of holding a keeper liable.

Squibalicous

Fruitcake said:

Squibalicous said:

I really appreciate everyone's advice here.  I've sent the email asking for erasure of data and to update as discussed earlier.

The land it's on does have CCTV as I believe it's council owned land.

I do have a POPLA code so I will also try that route too.  You guys are truly awesome.  I'm feeling a little less nervous.

I doubt it's council owned. If it were, it would be not-relevant land and therefore the PPC would be unable of holding a keeper liable.

I can do a land registry check which is £7 but obviously when contacting them they've stated I need to contact the land owner for the CCTV it's not under them and they are not giving away who that is.

It's awful that they can get away with all this.

I'm assuming the POPLA is to do an appeal through them with the information Coupon-mad provided.

Coupon-mad

The PPC has no CCTV.

You don't need a Land Registry check.

Yes: draft a POPLA appeal starting with what I said, then add the usual two other points (for every case) already written for you in the links in the 3rd post of the NEWBIES thread.

Squibalicous

Fruitcake said:

You can either get the keeper (your brother) to send the transfer slip on the bottom of the NTK, naming the driver and giving your overseas address,
or

Having appealed as driver, you could send a rectification notice to the DPO of the PPC, instructing them to erase your personal data, and replace it with your overseas address for service,
or

Do both. Make sure you use the word I have highlighted.

You could ignore afterwards, but the PPC may then pursue the keeper if they don't receive confirmation from the driver that they accept liability.
It would be safer therefore for you to respond to the NTD if (when) it arrives at your overseas address. 

If the PPC refuses to accept the transfer to your overseas address, then come back to this thread.

Please do make the suggested complaints, and please help us by signing the petition.

So as you anticipated - they refused the erasure and update of my details as the case is ongoing.  I will send over the appeal today.  Should I use the foreign address for this? 

Coupon-mad

Yes.      

Squibalicous

I'm really struggling to get the appeal put in with POPLA.  Whenever I'm typing in the car registration and search the spinning wheel just keeps going round and round and not changing.  I have tried it on various Wi-Fi networks and can only think it is happening due to being abroad.  Has anyone experienced this before?

Coupon-mad

I don't recall that you do have to hit a search button after putting in the VRM?

tincombe

If it's your brother's car then he is the registered keeper and it must surely be his address on the NTK. 

But you posted: I filed an appeal with the company, requesting they check the pay machine at the time I knew I got the ticket, along with confirming the CCTV showing me doing so to which they've declined it stating no registration matches in their system and basically, I'm lying.

I don't understand in what capacity you appealed. If, as your account would suggest, as the driver then the PPC must have assumed that your brother passed the NTK to you as stated on page 1 of the NTK(otherwise you wouldn't have known about this). It must therefore follow that they already know you're the driver and have responded to you in this capacity. If so, I would suggest that any appeal to POPLA should not include issues related to the compliance of the NTK because as I understand it if the driver has been identified then the NTK is redundant. 

If you are simply using your brother's address as a service address but you actually live abroad then I would give them your address abroad otherwise if they think you actually live at your brother's address then in my opinion this complicates matters. 

But maybe I've misunderstood your account.