PCN Blue badge holder

WBBMc88

Hello everyone, I recently received three PCNs! through the post from an ANPR car park. I parked in a normal bay with the blue badge visible each time as I literally didn’t know any better that I had to pay. Three £60 PCNs from a car park that charges £2.40 an hour and after checking I only overstayed by 20 minutes over the grace period each time. I appealed them but they declined stating that blue badges still have to pay even when visiting businesses on the premises. Is there anyway around these fines as they must surely know I knew no better as I have three in the space of a month. Do you think they would be willing to let me pay a reduced rate? What’s my best option here to get back at these vultures? 

Gr1pr

They are not fines, they are Parking Charge Notices, PCNs..

The signs on site would have said that blue badge holders are not exempt on that pay to park car park, meaning that the driver reads the signs and pays, or departs promptly. They are correct in their replies above 

Name the parking company and location or nation

The blue badge has little or no power on private property, so please study the blue booklet that came with it , the driver should ALWAYS read the signage and comply, otherwise its going to get very very expensive for their wallet 

Its the Equality Act 2010 , that applies, so follow plan A, complain about them to the Landowner and get them all cancelled ASAP under reasonable adjustments 

Coupon-mad

Don't offer money.

You won't be paying but you really must read signs in car parks.  Preferably AVOID private car parks completely.  You can park on (otherwise unmarked) double yellow lines on-street with your Badge, for 3 hours.

WBBMc88

Gr1pr said:

They are not fines, they are Parking Charge Notices, PCNs..

The signs on site would have said that blue badge holders are not exempt on that pay to park car park, meaning that the driver reads the signs and pays, or departs promptly. They are correct in their replies above 

Name the parking company and location or nation

The blue badge has little or no power on private property, so please study the blue booklet that came with it , the driver should ALWAYS read the signage and comply, otherwise its going to get very very expensive for their wallet 

Its the Equality Act 2010 , that applies, so follow plan A, complain about them to the Landowner and get them all cancelled ASAP under reasonable adjustments

It’s an NPC car park in Manchester. I have checked online and there’s uproar in the community with a petition on change for it be abolished. Lesson learned when it comes to literally anywhere now, these private company’s are literally trying to bleed us dry and our councils are letting it happen. Regarding the equality act, how would I get them cancelled using it? 

WBBMc88

Coupon-mad said:

Don't offer money.

You won't be paying but you really must read signs in car parks.  Preferably AVOID private car parks completely.  You can park on (otherwise unmarked) double yellow lines on-street with your Badge, for 3 hours.

What do you mean I won’t be paying? They have declined my appeals, now I am just fishing out the next best option other than paying these animals. I have been reading people’s comments and ignoring there letters results in my credit file being impacted down the line at some point. Otherwise I would just ignore them as they are extorting people.

Gr1pr

I believe that you actually mean an NCP car park in Manchester , I doubt that NPC have any car parks up here 

Its nothing to do with the councils, its everything to do with the government who have been trying to regulate the industry for over 7 years, with a law passed 5 years ago and currently being dealt with by the current MHCLG 

Petitions won't change anything at all, the actual law was passed and on the statute books in early 2019, still not implemented yet 

So regulation via the government and a new law, nothing to do with any of the councils, just MP,s and the private parking industry 

Not reading the signs and the blue badge booklet got you this far 

( I don't want to be unkind in my remarks, but I am a fellow blue badge holder and also have a qualifying illness under the Equality Act 2010 law, but I have definitely learned a lot in the last 12 years, one of which is to read everything, especially booklets and signs, all driver's should be studying the signs carefully. ). Lesson over 

KeithP

WBBMc88 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Don't offer money.

You won't be paying but you really must read signs in car parks.  Preferably AVOID private car parks completely.  You can park on (otherwise unmarked) double yellow lines on-street with your Badge, for 3 hours.

What do you mean I won’t be paying? They have declined my appeals, now I am just fishing out the next best option other than paying these animals. I have been reading people’s comments and ignoring there letters results in my credit file being impacted down the line at some point. Otherwise I would just ignore them as they are extorting people.

But your credit file hasn't been impacted, has it?

Nor will it be until such time as you were to lose a court case against you and then you still fail to pay what the court orders.

Your 'next best option' is to wait and see if NPC actually do raise a court claim.

Whilst waiting, you could always 'encourage' your MP to intervene.

Coupon-mad

WBBMc88 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Don't offer money.

You won't be paying but you really must read signs in car parks.  Preferably AVOID private car parks completely.  You can park on (otherwise unmarked) double yellow lines on-street with your Badge, for 3 hours.

What do you mean I won’t be paying? They have declined my appeals, now I am just fishing out the next best option other than paying these animals. I have been reading people’s comments and ignoring there letters results in my credit file being impacted down the line at some point. 

No it doesn't.  Not by following our advice.  Nobody here is risking their credit rating.

You just need to read the 4th then the 2nd posts of the NEWBIES FAQS thread.

WBBMc88

KeithP said:

WBBMc88 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Don't offer money.

You won't be paying but you really must read signs in car parks.  Preferably AVOID private car parks completely.  You can park on (otherwise unmarked) double yellow lines on-street with your Badge, for 3 hours.

What do you mean I won’t be paying? They have declined my appeals, now I am just fishing out the next best option other than paying these animals. I have been reading people’s comments and ignoring there letters results in my credit file being impacted down the line at some point. Otherwise I would just ignore them as they are extorting people.

But your credit file hasn't been impacted, has it?

Nor will it be until such time as you were to lose a court case against you and then you still fail to pay what the court orders.

Your 'next best option' is to wait and see if NPC actually do raise a court claim.

Whilst waiting, you could always 'encourage' your MP to intervene.

Thank you for your advice. After ringing them and stating that I will not be making any payments and I am getting my MP to intervene and contact the landowner to get them cancelled. They said they will settle at not issuing the 3rd PCN which was never processed because it takes atleast 3 days to process but it’s still too early. Which I am happy to settle at that to get it over and done with and lesson learned with these private company’s. 

Good afternoon,

I can confirm we will not be issuing the third PCN.

No further action is required.

That’s there email in writing. Will that be enough for me to be sure I will not get a 3rd PCN through after paying the other 2? 

Coupon-mad

WBBMc88 said:

KeithP said:

WBBMc88 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Don't offer money.

You won't be paying but you really must read signs in car parks.  Preferably AVOID private car parks completely.  You can park on (otherwise unmarked) double yellow lines on-street with your Badge, for 3 hours.

What do you mean I won’t be paying? They have declined my appeals, now I am just fishing out the next best option other than paying these animals. I have been reading people’s comments and ignoring there letters results in my credit file being impacted down the line at some point. Otherwise I would just ignore them as they are extorting people.

But your credit file hasn't been impacted, has it?

Nor will it be until such time as you were to lose a court case against you and then you still fail to pay what the court orders.

Your 'next best option' is to wait and see if NPC actually do raise a court claim.

Whilst waiting, you could always 'encourage' your MP to intervene.

Thank you for your advice. After ringing them and stating that I will not be making any payments and I am getting my MP to intervene and contact the landowner to get them cancelled. They said they will settle at not issuing the 3rd PCN which was never processed because it takes atleast 3 days to process but it’s still too early. Which I am happy to settle at that to get it over and done with and lesson learned with these private company’s. 

Good afternoon,

I can confirm we will not be issuing the third PCN.

No further action is required.

That’s there email in writing. Will that be enough for me to be sure I will not get a 3rd PCN through after paying the other 2? 

Whaaat? STOP.

You aren't paying any of these PCNs!

I advised you to read the 4th then the 2nd posts of the NEWBIES FAQS thread.  Nobody told you to phone the scammer.

The NEWBIES thread specifically tell everyone not to. Did you miss that message when you read the Announcement thread as advised?