Advice on new job

Marcon

prowla said:

Undervalued said:

prowla said:

Undervalued said:

sultan123 said:

My friend works at a company and she is leaving. As a result she told her company I would be good fit to replace her and the interview process went smoothly and they liked me. When I got to HR stage they asked my salary expectations (without asking my current wage) and I gave a range. The HR person said the range I asked for was out of their usual range for that role (by about 10k) but would wait to see all other candidates before coming to me.

After a period of radio silence they have got back to me and said they want to put together their best offer to me but want to justify it. Strangely though they are asking for my current salary now.

My issue is the salary I am on is far less than the uplift I asking for this new role but the new role I have applied to is actually far more work etc so the comparison between my current pay and the offer from new company does not make sense?

Should I go back and give them my current salary or question why they are wanting to compare salaries of 2 different roles?

With the exception of a very few things protected by law a prospective employer can ask an applicant what they like and expect a truthful answer. If you won't answer then they can draw whatever inference they please and act accordingly.

If you give a false answer, get the job and they later find out that would be grounds for dismissal. Technically it is also fraud.

In what way is it fraud?

It was previously called attempting to obtain a pecuniary advantage by deception (in this case a job) which was an offence in itself. More recently it was incorporated into an update to the fraud act.

Basically if you deliberately provide false information to encourage a person or a company to enter into a contract with you, that is fraud.

In most employment situations it is unlikely the police will be knocking at the door but it is sometimes prosecuted, particularly if it is suspected with higher level public service jobs.

That's interesting; I had a search and found examples of people who had lied about their experience, falsely claimed qualifications, and so-on.

But can you point one out where they lied about their previous salary?

Plenty of posts on this forum on just such an issue!

Google on 'sacked for lying about previous salary' and you should find what you're looking for.

prowla

Apparently The Chanceller has been embellishing her c.v.; I wonder if her employers will take umbrage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy12820kwwo

Marcon

prowla said:

Apparently The Chanceller has been embellishing her c.v.; I wonder if her employers will take umbrage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy12820kwwo

She doesn't have an employer. MPs are holders of elected office.

elsien

Lomast said:

Whilst they can certainly ask your current employer and I have seen some crazy reference requests, from my personal experience (engineering) it is normal to limit any reference to start and finish date and position held.

That really does depend on your field. In my line of work (social care) full references are the norm. 

kinger101

Undervalued said:

prowla said:

Undervalued said:

sultan123 said:

My friend works at a company and she is leaving. As a result she told her company I would be good fit to replace her and the interview process went smoothly and they liked me. When I got to HR stage they asked my salary expectations (without asking my current wage) and I gave a range. The HR person said the range I asked for was out of their usual range for that role (by about 10k) but would wait to see all other candidates before coming to me.

After a period of radio silence they have got back to me and said they want to put together their best offer to me but want to justify it. Strangely though they are asking for my current salary now.

My issue is the salary I am on is far less than the uplift I asking for this new role but the new role I have applied to is actually far more work etc so the comparison between my current pay and the offer from new company does not make sense?

Should I go back and give them my current salary or question why they are wanting to compare salaries of 2 different roles?

With the exception of a very few things protected by law a prospective employer can ask an applicant what they like and expect a truthful answer. If you won't answer then they can draw whatever inference they please and act accordingly.

If you give a false answer, get the job and they later find out that would be grounds for dismissal. Technically it is also fraud.

In what way is it fraud?

It was previously called attempting to obtain a pecuniary advantage by deception (in this case a job) which was an offence in itself. More recently it was incorporated into an update to the fraud act.

Basically if you deliberately provide false information to encourage a person or a company to enter into a contract with you, that is fraud.

In most employment situations it is unlikely the police will be knocking at the door but it is sometimes prosecuted, particularly if it is suspected with higher level public service jobs.

Can you get enter trouble if you told them your previous role was an economist?  Asking for a friend.

kinger101

"Radio silence" is them interviewing other potentially qualified candidates as part of a competitive process.  There's no coronation because you were recommended by a friend.

You need to reach a point where you are both happy or walk away.  They might not think you're worth £10K over their range, or even if they do, the hiring manager might not have authority to pay that much. Even for broadly equivalent jobs, some sectors pay more than others.

Call their bluff with a counter offer if you wish.  They'll either;

(a) accept;
(b) refuse but put forward their offer;
(c) move onto the second choice candidate.

Ask yourself in the scheme of things, is working for them likely to be better that your current situation.