Advice on new job

sultan123

Marcon said:

sultan123 said:

My friend works at a company and she is leaving. As a result she told her company I would be good fit to replace her and the interview process went smoothly and they liked me. When I got to HR stage they asked my salary expectations (without asking my current wage) and I gave a range. The HR person said the range I asked for was out of their usual range for that role (by about 10k) but would wait to see all other candidates before coming to me.

After a period of radio silence they have got back to me and said they want to put together their best offer to me but want to justify it. Strangely though they are asking for my current salary now.

My issue is the salary I am on is far less than the uplift I asking for this new role but the new role I have applied to is actually far more work etc so the comparison between my current pay and the offer from new company does not make sense?

Should I go back and give them my current salary or question why they are wanting to compare salaries of 2 different roles?

They aren't sufficiently keen on you to pay through the nose. If you don't give them your (accurate) current salary - which they will probably check with your current employer - it sounds likely they will look elsewhere.

Querying why they want that information will simply confirm to them that your 'salary expectation' was way above what you're earning now.

How can they check with current employer? I would have to give permission at a minimum

Marcon

sultan123 said:

Marcon said:

sultan123 said:

My friend works at a company and she is leaving. As a result she told her company I would be good fit to replace her and the interview process went smoothly and they liked me. When I got to HR stage they asked my salary expectations (without asking my current wage) and I gave a range. The HR person said the range I asked for was out of their usual range for that role (by about 10k) but would wait to see all other candidates before coming to me.

After a period of radio silence they have got back to me and said they want to put together their best offer to me but want to justify it. Strangely though they are asking for my current salary now.

My issue is the salary I am on is far less than the uplift I asking for this new role but the new role I have applied to is actually far more work etc so the comparison between my current pay and the offer from new company does not make sense?

Should I go back and give them my current salary or question why they are wanting to compare salaries of 2 different roles?

They aren't sufficiently keen on you to pay through the nose. If you don't give them your (accurate) current salary - which they will probably check with your current employer - it sounds likely they will look elsewhere.

Querying why they want that information will simply confirm to them that your 'salary expectation' was way above what you're earning now.

How can they check with current employer? I would have to give permission at a minimum

No you wouldn't - it's information which a potential employer could reasonably request as part of a reference.


See https://www.gov.uk/work-reference#:~:text=must%20be%20fair%20and%20accurate%20%E2%80%93%20and%20can%20include%20details%20about,and%20when%20you%20were%20employed

and note:

If they give a reference it:

• must be fair and accurate – and can include details about your performance and if you were sacked
• can be brief – such as job title, salary and when you were employed

Even if you did have to give permission, it would be an immediate red flag if you said no.

Marcon

sultan123 said:

Undervalued said:

sultan123 said:

My friend works at a company and she is leaving. As a result she told her company I would be good fit to replace her and the interview process went smoothly and they liked me. When I got to HR stage they asked my salary expectations (without asking my current wage) and I gave a range. The HR person said the range I asked for was out of their usual range for that role (by about 10k) but would wait to see all other candidates before coming to me.

After a period of radio silence they have got back to me and said they want to put together their best offer to me but want to justify it. Strangely though they are asking for my current salary now.

My issue is the salary I am on is far less than the uplift I asking for this new role but the new role I have applied to is actually far more work etc so the comparison between my current pay and the offer from new company does not make sense?

Should I go back and give them my current salary or question why they are wanting to compare salaries of 2 different roles?

With the exception of a very few things protected by law a prospective employer can ask an applicant what they like and expect a truthful answer. If you won't answer then they can draw whatever inference they please and act accordingly.

If you give a false answer, get the job and they later find out that would be grounds for dismissal. Technically it is also fraud.

It is impossible for new employers to check previous salary

See my post above - it is no problem at all for a new employer to check a previous salary.

Undervalued

sultan123 said:

Undervalued said:

sultan123 said:

My friend works at a company and she is leaving. As a result she told her company I would be good fit to replace her and the interview process went smoothly and they liked me. When I got to HR stage they asked my salary expectations (without asking my current wage) and I gave a range. The HR person said the range I asked for was out of their usual range for that role (by about 10k) but would wait to see all other candidates before coming to me.

After a period of radio silence they have got back to me and said they want to put together their best offer to me but want to justify it. Strangely though they are asking for my current salary now.

My issue is the salary I am on is far less than the uplift I asking for this new role but the new role I have applied to is actually far more work etc so the comparison between my current pay and the offer from new company does not make sense?

Should I go back and give them my current salary or question why they are wanting to compare salaries of 2 different roles?

With the exception of a very few things protected by law a prospective employer can ask an applicant what they like and expect a truthful answer. If you won't answer then they can draw whatever inference they please and act accordingly.

If you give a false answer, get the job and they later find out that would be grounds for dismissal. Technically it is also fraud.

It is impossible for new employers to check previous salary

Absolute nonsense!

To be honest, I am not sure why you have posted here. You clearly have your own views and have little interest in any other opinions.

Lomast

Whilst they can certainly ask your current employer and I have seen some crazy reference requests, from my personal experience (engineering) it is normal to limit any reference to start and finish date and position held.

prowla

My experience is that generally when companies do a "market rate" analysis they find it's less than what they're currently paying employees.

Regarding the prospective new employer asking the current salary: a. it may be a condition of your current contract that you do not divulge it, b. I wouldn't state it, and c. it would be against GDPR for your existing employer to divulge it.

prowla

Undervalued said:

sultan123 said:

My friend works at a company and she is leaving. As a result she told her company I would be good fit to replace her and the interview process went smoothly and they liked me. When I got to HR stage they asked my salary expectations (without asking my current wage) and I gave a range. The HR person said the range I asked for was out of their usual range for that role (by about 10k) but would wait to see all other candidates before coming to me.

After a period of radio silence they have got back to me and said they want to put together their best offer to me but want to justify it. Strangely though they are asking for my current salary now.

My issue is the salary I am on is far less than the uplift I asking for this new role but the new role I have applied to is actually far more work etc so the comparison between my current pay and the offer from new company does not make sense?

Should I go back and give them my current salary or question why they are wanting to compare salaries of 2 different roles?

With the exception of a very few things protected by law a prospective employer can ask an applicant what they like and expect a truthful answer. If you won't answer then they can draw whatever inference they please and act accordingly.

If you give a false answer, get the job and they later find out that would be grounds for dismissal. Technically it is also fraud.

In what way is it fraud?

Undervalued

prowla said:

Undervalued said:

sultan123 said:

My friend works at a company and she is leaving. As a result she told her company I would be good fit to replace her and the interview process went smoothly and they liked me. When I got to HR stage they asked my salary expectations (without asking my current wage) and I gave a range. The HR person said the range I asked for was out of their usual range for that role (by about 10k) but would wait to see all other candidates before coming to me.

After a period of radio silence they have got back to me and said they want to put together their best offer to me but want to justify it. Strangely though they are asking for my current salary now.

My issue is the salary I am on is far less than the uplift I asking for this new role but the new role I have applied to is actually far more work etc so the comparison between my current pay and the offer from new company does not make sense?

Should I go back and give them my current salary or question why they are wanting to compare salaries of 2 different roles?

With the exception of a very few things protected by law a prospective employer can ask an applicant what they like and expect a truthful answer. If you won't answer then they can draw whatever inference they please and act accordingly.

If you give a false answer, get the job and they later find out that would be grounds for dismissal. Technically it is also fraud.

In what way is it fraud?

It was previously called attempting to obtain a pecuniary advantage by deception (in this case a job) which was an offence in itself. More recently it was incorporated into an update to the fraud act.

Basically if you deliberately provide false information to encourage a person or a company to enter into a contract with you, that is fraud.

In most employment situations it is unlikely the police will be knocking at the door but it is sometimes prosecuted, particularly if it is suspected with higher level public service jobs.

prowla

Marcon said:

sultan123 said:

Marcon said:

sultan123 said:

My friend works at a company and she is leaving. As a result she told her company I would be good fit to replace her and the interview process went smoothly and they liked me. When I got to HR stage they asked my salary expectations (without asking my current wage) and I gave a range. The HR person said the range I asked for was out of their usual range for that role (by about 10k) but would wait to see all other candidates before coming to me.

After a period of radio silence they have got back to me and said they want to put together their best offer to me but want to justify it. Strangely though they are asking for my current salary now.

My issue is the salary I am on is far less than the uplift I asking for this new role but the new role I have applied to is actually far more work etc so the comparison between my current pay and the offer from new company does not make sense?

Should I go back and give them my current salary or question why they are wanting to compare salaries of 2 different roles?

They aren't sufficiently keen on you to pay through the nose. If you don't give them your (accurate) current salary - which they will probably check with your current employer - it sounds likely they will look elsewhere.

Querying why they want that information will simply confirm to them that your 'salary expectation' was way above what you're earning now.

How can they check with current employer? I would have to give permission at a minimum

No you wouldn't - it's information which a potential employer could reasonably request as part of a reference.


See https://www.gov.uk/work-reference#:~:text=must%20be%20fair%20and%20accurate%20%E2%80%93%20and%20can%20include%20details%20about,and%20when%20you%20were%20employed

and note:

If they give a reference it:

• must be fair and accurate – and can include details about your performance and if you were sacked
• can be brief – such as job title, salary and when you were employed

Even if you did have to give permission, it would be an immediate red flag if you said no.

Thanks for that info.

prowla

Undervalued said:

prowla said:

Undervalued said:

sultan123 said:

My friend works at a company and she is leaving. As a result she told her company I would be good fit to replace her and the interview process went smoothly and they liked me. When I got to HR stage they asked my salary expectations (without asking my current wage) and I gave a range. The HR person said the range I asked for was out of their usual range for that role (by about 10k) but would wait to see all other candidates before coming to me.

After a period of radio silence they have got back to me and said they want to put together their best offer to me but want to justify it. Strangely though they are asking for my current salary now.

My issue is the salary I am on is far less than the uplift I asking for this new role but the new role I have applied to is actually far more work etc so the comparison between my current pay and the offer from new company does not make sense?

Should I go back and give them my current salary or question why they are wanting to compare salaries of 2 different roles?

With the exception of a very few things protected by law a prospective employer can ask an applicant what they like and expect a truthful answer. If you won't answer then they can draw whatever inference they please and act accordingly.

If you give a false answer, get the job and they later find out that would be grounds for dismissal. Technically it is also fraud.

In what way is it fraud?

It was previously called attempting to obtain a pecuniary advantage by deception (in this case a job) which was an offence in itself. More recently it was incorporated into an update to the fraud act.

Basically if you deliberately provide false information to encourage a person or a company to enter into a contract with you, that is fraud.

In most employment situations it is unlikely the police will be knocking at the door but it is sometimes prosecuted, particularly if it is suspected with higher level public service jobs.

That's interesting; I had a search and found examples of people who had lied about their experience, falsely claimed qualifications, and so-on.

But can you point one out where they lied about their previous salary?