IMPORTANT: Please make sure your posts do not contain any personally identifiable information (both your own and that of others). When uploading images, please take care that you have redacted all personal information including number plates, reference numbers and QR codes (which may reveal vehicle information when scanned).
We're aware that some users are experiencing technical issues which the team are working to resolve. See the Community Noticeboard for more info. Thank you for your patience.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

UK CPM GLADSTONES court claim SUCCESS

Options
Nosy
Nosy Posts: 191 Forumite
Fifth Anniversary 100 Posts Name Dropper
Hi, hoping someone can help please.

I have received a letter before claim from Gladstone in September 2024 and then another letter before claim at the start of October 2024. This is for a PCN which I received for parking 12mins in a car park without paying. I appealed and it was dismissed by IAS. The parking event occurred in November 2023. 

This was issued for parking 12mins in a car park from an ANPR system.  The car park has one entrance which is also used for the exit. The signs can be seen when exiting vehicle and looking carefully close up but by that time you are already in the car park and outside the car. 

Anyway I wanted some advise on how to respond to Gladstones. After the IAS dismissed the appeal I have not been in touch with thenoarking company or Gladstones. 
«13456

Comments

  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 41,296 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    edited 13 November 2024 at 12:25AM
    The first few paragraphs of the second post of the NEWBIES thread explain exactly how to react upon receipt of a Letter of Claim.

    Which parking company is involved?
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,702 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    Please show the IAS decision.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • Nosy
    Nosy Posts: 191 Forumite
    Fifth Anniversary 100 Posts Name Dropper
    Hi @Coupon-mad @KeithP, I hope you are both doing well, good to see you here helping people.

    Unfortunately life has got in the way, and I forgot about this . As a result, I received a claim letter through the post on 17/12/24

    @KeithP parking company is UK CPM Ltd.

    @Coupon-mad
    Below is the IAS decision
    "It is important that the Appellant understands that the adjudicator is not in a position to give his legal advice. The adjudicator's role is to look at whether the parking charge has a basis in law and was properly issued in the circumstances of each particular case. The adjudicator's decision is not legally binding on the Appellant (it is intended to be a guide) and they are free to obtain independent legal advice if they so wish. However, the adjudicator is legally qualified (a barrister or solicitor) and decides the appeal according to their understanding of the law and legal principles.

    The terms of this appeal are that I am only allowed to consider the charge being appealed and not the circumstances of other drivers or other parking events. The guidance to this appeal also makes it clear that I am bound by the law of contract and can only consider legal challenges not mistakes or extenuating circumstances. I am satisfied that the Operator's signage, which was on display throughout the site, makes it sufficiently clear that the terms and conditions are in force at all times and that a PCN will be issued to drivers who fail to comply with the terms and conditions, regardless of a driver's reasons for being on site or any mitigating factors. While noting their comments, it is clear from the evidence provided to this appeal that the Appellant did indeed enter and use the site otherwise than in accordance with the displayed terms by failing to ensure that their vehicle was properly registered with a valid payment, having been allowed an adequate consideration period prior to the charge being issued. It is the driver's (rather than a third party's) responsibility to ensure that the terms and conditions of parking are properly complied with. Due to the nature of the terms, whether the vehicle was left unattended at any point is largely irrelevant to this appeal. Having considered the evidence provided I am satisfied that the Operator has the authority to issue and enforce PCNs at this location.

    I am satisfied that the Operator has proven their prima facie case. Whilst having some sympathy with the Appellant's circumstances, once liability has been established, only the Operator has the discretion to vary or cancel the parking charge based on mitigating circumstances. Accordingly this appeal is dismissed."
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 41,296 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    You say you have "received a claim letter through the post on 17/12/24".

    If you have received a Claim Form, please tell us the Issue Date on it.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,702 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    And if this is a Claim Form please show it here, covering the same 4 things everyone else does on all the other Gladstones claim form threads you'll find when you search the forum (filter to NEWEST results only).
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • Nosy
    Nosy Posts: 191 Forumite
    Fifth Anniversary 100 Posts Name Dropper
    edited 23 December 2024 at 12:27PM
    The issue date is 17/12/24. I have attached an image of the claim form. Can you advise which defence I should be using from the newbies thread?  The last time I had to defend a claim was during the pandemic so not sure how much has changed since then  is all still done online?

    [Image removed by Forum Team]
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,702 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper Photogenic
    You've only redacted 3 things.

    Search the forum for:

    Chan Akande denied persuasive defence
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 41,296 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    With a Claim Issue Date of 17th December, you have until Monday 6th January 2025 to file an Acknowledgment of Service, but there is nothing to be gained by delaying it. 
    To file an Acknowledgment of Service, follow the guidance in the Dropbox file linked from the second post in the NEWBIES thread.
    Having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 20th January 2025 to file a Defence.
    That's over four weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.
    To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look again at the second post on the NEWBIES thread - immediately following where you found the Acknowledgment of Service guidance.
    Don't miss the deadline for filing an Acknowledgment of Service, nor that for filing a Defence.

    Do not try and file a Defence via the MoneyClaimOnline website. Once an Acknowledgment of Service has been filed, the MCOL website should be treated as 'read only'.


    You need to be aware that those Particulars of Claim are totally inadequate.

    It is alleged that the driver 'parked in breach the terms of parking stipulated on the signage (the contract)'.

    Nowhere in those Particulars is there any explanation of what the driver is alleged to have done wrong.

    This will be an easy win.
  • Nosy
    Nosy Posts: 191 Forumite
    Fifth Anniversary 100 Posts Name Dropper
    You've only redacted 3 things.

    Search the forum for:

    Chan Akande denied persuasive defence
    Have redacted properly now and also filed acknowledgement of service yesterday.

    I have searched the forum for Chan Akande denied persuasive defence and found a few posts related to Chan Akande but not the diect post/defence. Is there a specific defence you would advise to use which is similar to my case? 
  • Gr1pr
    Gr1pr Posts: 8,289 Forumite
    1,000 Posts First Anniversary Photogenic Name Dropper
    Please change the thread title to something more suitable,  like

    UK CPM GLADSTONES court claim 
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 350.9K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.1K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 453.5K Spending & Discounts
  • 243.9K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 598.8K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 176.9K Life & Family
  • 257.2K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.6K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.