Horizon Parking - Have I cucked myself?

getmesomeyums

After receiving two parking notices from Horizon Parking, I immediately appealed. Unfortunately I hadn't discovered this website beforehand and immediately named myself as the driver in both.

I was parking for a Ice hockey game at Planet Ice. Horizon own a bunch of parking spots around an abandoned ToysRUs in the area. I didn't realise that the spaces were Horizon owned and not council (council spaces are free after 6pm).

The first one I appealed with (paraphrased):

"I couldn't see any sign in the area at the time of parking"

The second one (paraphrased):

"I crossed over to the council parking spaces and never parked into a horizon space"

Now POPLA is making a decision on the first after Horizon responded. I added comments saying I crossed over (like in the second appeal) and there's no evidence showing I was in a Horizon parking space rather just two pictures of me entering and leaving the area.

Have I cucked myself or how can I at least recover the second one and pay the first if it is rejected?

getmesomeyums

Here are the photos of the charge notices.

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Gr1pr

Horizon are not the landowner, just a parking enforcement contractor , probably working for the site management company 

If you are at the popla comments stage, you should highlight their failures to try to win the appeal, but you cannot add new evidence 

Ideally you should find out who contracted with Horizon and follow plan A in the newbies sticky thread in announcements, a complaint to the business or management company or actual landowner, to get the PCNs cancelled by the dog, the parking company are just the wagging tail 

Ps, the chances are that had you appealed as keeper using POFA you would have won both cases and paid nothing at all 

No blabbing in future, advice first, before actions

Which location was it. ?

getmesomeyums

Gr1pr said:

Horizon are not the landowner, just a parking enforcement contractor , probably working for the site management company 

If you are at the popla comments stage, you should highlight their failures to try to win the appeal, but you cannot add new evidence 

Ideally you should find out who contracted with Horizon and follow plan A in the newbies sticky thread in announcements, a complaint to the business or management company or actual landowner, to get the PCNs cancelled by the dog, the parking company are just the wagging tail 

Ps, the chances are that had you appealed as keeper using POFA you would have won both cases and paid nothing at all 

No blabbing in future, advice first, before actions

Which location was it. ?

It was at 800 Grafton Gate Car Park, MK

Gr1pr

From Wiki 

Planet Ice Arena Milton Keynes is a 2,800-capacity multi-purpose ice rink/hockey rink located in Milton Keynes, England, as part of the Leisure Plaza complex (near the Central station).

Planet Ice Arena Milton Keynes

The MK Arena, The Thunderdome

Former names , The Thunderdome, Bladerunner Arena

Location Planet Ice, 1 South Row, Central Milton Keynes, Milton Keynes MK9 1BL.

Owner. AEW UK Ltd

So definitely not owned by Horizon , your Popla evidence pack from Horizon should give landowner details etc

getmesomeyums

Gr1pr said:

From Wiki 

Planet Ice Arena Milton Keynes is a 2,800-capacity multi-purpose ice rink/hockey rink located in Milton Keynes, England, as part of the Leisure Plaza complex (near the Central station).

Planet Ice Arena Milton Keynes

The MK Arena, The Thunderdome

Former names , The Thunderdome, Bladerunner Arena

Location Planet Ice, 1 South Row, Central Milton Keynes, Milton Keynes MK9 1BL.

Owner. AEW UK Ltd

So definitely not owned by Horizon 

Will complain now, will update here once I receive something!

Coupon-mad

Be aware you will almost certainly lose at POPLA.  Appealing straight away was a huge mistake, sorry.  Unless POPLA decide that the spaces were not clearly delineated this will be lost and you'll have to defend a court claim.

Grizebeck

why do people always rush to appeal

getmesomeyums

Grizebeck said:

why do people always rush to appeal

Rushed as I'm a new driver with this being my first tickets.

KoalaMSEF

Grizebeck said:

why do people always rush to appeal

believe parking companies are reasonable human beings not bloodsucking machines
lack of experience
scared by legal mumbo jumbo and other 'consequences'
misguided
did not find the community here in the first place

mostly, personal experience, it is number 1 :-)

Coupon-mad

People think it's a fine and don't realise this forum exists until knocked back by 'scammers' who are (in most cases) unreasonable moneygrabbing scumbags after their money ... and suddenly, it all becomes clear.