TNC Collections - No Previous PCN Notification

hesi

Hi,

I received this outstanding PCN charge a couple of days ago from TNC Collections for £170, it says that my time to appeal has passed but as far as I am aware I have not received any previous letters or notification of any kind.

I have been looking through the newbie thread and it says that I can pretty much ignore these debt collector letters which definitely comes as a relief, but having not received any way to appeal the original notice from National Parking Enforcement Ltd a few months ago I am unsure what to do next, I have no way of proving that I have not received anything, would really appreciate some some advice!

Also just thought I'd mention that it was a motorcycle, I know that in some places the rules are different but I'm guessing probably not in this case.

Thanks.

KeithP

As you will have read in the fourth post of the NEWBIES thread, generally speaking debt collectors letters can be ignored.

However, in your case it is concerning that you have received nothing before this TNC letter.
Is your motorcycle's Registration Document(V5c) up to date?
In other words have you moved house and failed to update the keeper's address on the V5c at that time? 

Grizebeck

Ignore all and any tnc/cis letters 

hesi

KeithP said:

As you will have read in the fourth post of the NEWBIES thread, generally speaking debt collectors letters can be ignored.

However, in your case it is concerning that you have received nothing before this TNC letter.
Is your motorcycle's Registration Document(V5c) up to date?
In other words have you moved house and failed to update the keeper's address on the V5c at that time? 

Hey thanks for the reply,

I do actually need to update my V5c, but the address they have is a family members so I still have access to my mail, they have been saving my post and are adamant that nothing else has arrived prior to this, I was there for 10+ years so it shouldn't have been sent anywhere else 

Coupon-mad

Ignore these letters.  But make sure the family member passes you every one.

hesi

So received a new letter and thought I'd share it. 

It was mistakenly opened by my family member mentioned earlier at my previous address and they are freaking out about it.

I'm wondering if I should write asking to erase the old address and change to my new one however, would this be some kind of acknowledgement of the fine?

I am also wondering if I could fight this in some way, this latest letter is dated from 18th September saying I have 7 days to pay but I am told it arrived after that time period and I still find it strange that the first letter I received was from the debt collector TNC for £170 rather than anything from National Parking Enforcement Ltd, perhaps I should send a Subject Access Request to see what they have?

Would appreciate some advice, thank you in advance!

Gr1pr

Do not email a SAR at this time, its better to not know the details before any court action , let NPE make the mistakes 

No fine was ever issued, just the initial invoice from NPE , the one you did not receive 

If family members are freaking out then they should be just passing on the letters, not opening them and certainly not reading them 

Yes you should be updating the V5c, if the DVLA wanted to they could prosecute via the magistrates court you for not doing so, with a possible genuine fine of up to £1000 imposed upon you , ditto with your driving licence too

Yes you should email a data rectification notice to the DPO at NPE, with the correct address for the service of papers, plus to stop others freaking out for no reason , doing so admits nothing at all 

Lastly, filed away the debt collectors letters and ignore the powerless debt collectors, as you were told earlier 

Grizebeck

The letter is a joke 

Coupon-mad

hesi said:

So received a new letter and thought I'd share it. 

It was mistakenly opened by my family member mentioned earlier at my previous address and they are freaking out about it.

I'm wondering if I should write asking to erase the old address and change to my new one however, would this be some kind of acknowledgement of the fine?

I am also wondering if I could fight this in some way, this latest letter is dated from 18th September saying I have 7 days to pay but I am told it arrived after that time period and I still find it strange that the first letter I received was from the debt collector TNC for £170 rather than anything from National Parking Enforcement Ltd, perhaps I should send a Subject Access Request to see what they have?

Would appreciate some advice, thank you in advance!

Come on, surely nobody is freaking out over that laughable trash? If someone in the family is (unfortunately) so naive as to freak out over that drivel, it is time to erase the old address and tell them your new address.

That is the most misleading pile of utter codswallop we've seen in a long time.  It is actually funny it is so bad.

Everything is wrong with it:

- only giving 7 days from the date of the letter (sent second class, we'd bet) so that time is already up;

- Putting the word DEBTOR in capital letters above the address so it will show through a window envelope;

- the misleading 'shouty capitals' three headline titles are just ranty rubbish threats;

- 'immediate' legal proceedings threatened, yet nothing about the pre-action protocol is followed AT ALL;

- misleads the recipient about getting a CCJ 'if a court decides you owe the money' (this is not true);

- bolded statement echoing the stupid headline 'private parking charges are enforceable in the UK' (hmmm...some are (but not many) ... not this one!);

- misquoting the (completely different facts and signs) Beavis  case totally out of context;

-  misquoting Carly Mackie's case (again completely different facts and signs) out of context;

I mean this is utter crap isn't it?  Sums up the parking industry who are actually worse now than when the Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 was enacted, because they are emboldened by hoodwinking the Government along the way at every possible turn, and blocking the Code in 2022.

You should complain about it to TNC and then to the IPC and expose them here, when they fob you off.

This is debt resolution is it?  This is what this despicable industry want to have the MHCLG believe is worth £70 being extorted from motorists, per PCN, for not 'coming to heel', not rolling over & paying unfair parking charges?

hesi

Hi all, 

Apologies for disappearing, ended up getting very ill and this became much less important 

Have received more letters since with the latest being a letter before claim

Latest three seem to have changed from TNC to CIS although they have the same address

The one dated 02/01/25 actually came after the letter before claim, found number 6 in the "facts" interesting, they state that a trace has confirmed my address as being up to date, perhaps I'm wrong but this makes it sound as though they only just ran the trace and if so this would be incorrect as I updated my address with the DVLA back in October.

Should I just wait to see if I receive a court claim? Or maybe try to fight it before that, especially given that the first contact with me was the letter from TNC for £170 and the advice about the previous letter although that is perhaps too late to do now, I have not had any contact with them so far, maybe a SAR too if it would show when they ran the trace? 

Would really appreciate any guidance, thank you

ChirpyChicken

No trace or dvla check has been done
Ignore it isn't a letter before claim
Nothing has changed.
You don't need to post up thier letters