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Winter Fuel Allowance under discussion by Martin.
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30% failure is still unacceptable and a consequence of lavish spending on pensioners to the cost of children!Grumpy_chap said:
Thank you.hugheskevi said:
Try this link.Grumpy_chap said:
That's a paywall article so we are unable to see what it actually says or any context.BlackKnightMonty said:
So, the article really says the fail rate at age 16 is around 30% - not the headline 40% mentioned.
The 40% is only achieved by including those over 16 that are taking the exam a second (or more) time. Perhaps there are some that simply cannot understand the subject matter but persevere regardless to work on improving.
It is perfectly reasonable to argue that, even if the nett saving is zero, the outlay to those that were eligible for but did not claim PC is more focused on those that really need the financial support.hugheskevi said:The cost of Pension Credit is £5.8bn, paid to around 1.4m claimants
The cost of Winter Fuel Payments is £1.89bn, paid to around 11.4 million
If 100% of the eligible non-recipients of Pension Credit claimed, as long as the cost per claim was below about £37 per week, there would be savings from the Winter Fuel payment change.0 -
What is acceptable then? 10%? 5%? None at all?BlackKnightMonty said:
30% failure is still unacceptable and a consequence of lavish spending on pensioners to the cost of children!Grumpy_chap said:
Thank you.hugheskevi said:
Try this link.Grumpy_chap said:
That's a paywall article so we are unable to see what it actually says or any context.BlackKnightMonty said:
So, the article really says the fail rate at age 16 is around 30% - not the headline 40% mentioned.
The 40% is only achieved by including those over 16 that are taking the exam a second (or more) time. Perhaps there are some that simply cannot understand the subject matter but persevere regardless to work on improving.
It is perfectly reasonable to argue that, even if the nett saving is zero, the outlay to those that were eligible for but did not claim PC is more focused on those that really need the financial support.hugheskevi said:The cost of Pension Credit is £5.8bn, paid to around 1.4m claimants
The cost of Winter Fuel Payments is £1.89bn, paid to around 11.4 million
If 100% of the eligible non-recipients of Pension Credit claimed, as long as the cost per claim was below about £37 per week, there would be savings from the Winter Fuel payment change.
Wasn't the complaint previously that the exams were getting "too easy" and "grade inflation"?0 -
As close to zero as possible, recognising some students with extreme disabilities may not be able to achieve this.westv said:
What is acceptable then? 10%? 5%? None at all?BlackKnightMonty said:
30% failure is still unacceptable and a consequence of lavish spending on pensioners to the cost of children!Grumpy_chap said:
Thank you.hugheskevi said:
Try this link.Grumpy_chap said:
That's a paywall article so we are unable to see what it actually says or any context.BlackKnightMonty said:
So, the article really says the fail rate at age 16 is around 30% - not the headline 40% mentioned.
The 40% is only achieved by including those over 16 that are taking the exam a second (or more) time. Perhaps there are some that simply cannot understand the subject matter but persevere regardless to work on improving.
It is perfectly reasonable to argue that, even if the nett saving is zero, the outlay to those that were eligible for but did not claim PC is more focused on those that really need the financial support.hugheskevi said:The cost of Pension Credit is £5.8bn, paid to around 1.4m claimants
The cost of Winter Fuel Payments is £1.89bn, paid to around 11.4 million
If 100% of the eligible non-recipients of Pension Credit claimed, as long as the cost per claim was below about £37 per week, there would be savings from the Winter Fuel payment change.
Wasn't the complaint previously that the exams were getting "too easy" and "grade inflation"?
remember to join the army as a lance corporal you must have a pass in english & maths gcse’s.0 -
Is that failure rate provably anything to do with the relative expenditure on pensioners or children?BlackKnightMonty said:30% failure is still unacceptable and a consequence of lavish spending on pensioners to the cost of children!
If you put unlimited funding into education, would all children pass GCSE Maths and English at age 16?
My wife never got either (nor 'O' Levels). The reason was nothing to do with the amount of expenditure on education.0 -
A very niche example.BlackKnightMonty said:
As close to zero as possible, recognising some students with extreme disabilities may not be able to achieve this.westv said:
What is acceptable then? 10%? 5%? None at all?BlackKnightMonty said:
30% failure is still unacceptable and a consequence of lavish spending on pensioners to the cost of children!Grumpy_chap said:
Thank you.hugheskevi said:
Try this link.Grumpy_chap said:
That's a paywall article so we are unable to see what it actually says or any context.BlackKnightMonty said:
So, the article really says the fail rate at age 16 is around 30% - not the headline 40% mentioned.
The 40% is only achieved by including those over 16 that are taking the exam a second (or more) time. Perhaps there are some that simply cannot understand the subject matter but persevere regardless to work on improving.
It is perfectly reasonable to argue that, even if the nett saving is zero, the outlay to those that were eligible for but did not claim PC is more focused on those that really need the financial support.hugheskevi said:The cost of Pension Credit is £5.8bn, paid to around 1.4m claimants
The cost of Winter Fuel Payments is £1.89bn, paid to around 11.4 million
If 100% of the eligible non-recipients of Pension Credit claimed, as long as the cost per claim was below about £37 per week, there would be savings from the Winter Fuel payment change.
Wasn't the complaint previously that the exams were getting "too easy" and "grade inflation"?
remember to join the army as a lance corporal you must have a pass in english & maths gcse’s.0 -
Can you join as a private without, and later become a lace corporal (or higher) on your own merit?remember to join the army as a lance corporal you must have a pass in english & maths gcse’s.0 -
You seem happy with a 30% failure rate; not me. We won’t reconcile the difference.Grumpy_chap said:
Is that failure rate provably anything to do with the relative expenditure on pensioners or children?BlackKnightMonty said:30% failure is still unacceptable and a consequence of lavish spending on pensioners to the cost of children!
If you put unlimited funding into education, would all children pass GCSE Maths and English at age 16?
My wife never got either (nor 'O' Levels). The reason was nothing to do with the amount of expenditure on education.
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Quite frankly most jobs require maths and english gcse these days.westv said:
A very niche example.BlackKnightMonty said:
As close to zero as possible, recognising some students with extreme disabilities may not be able to achieve this.westv said:
What is acceptable then? 10%? 5%? None at all?BlackKnightMonty said:
30% failure is still unacceptable and a consequence of lavish spending on pensioners to the cost of children!Grumpy_chap said:
Thank you.hugheskevi said:
Try this link.Grumpy_chap said:
That's a paywall article so we are unable to see what it actually says or any context.BlackKnightMonty said:
So, the article really says the fail rate at age 16 is around 30% - not the headline 40% mentioned.
The 40% is only achieved by including those over 16 that are taking the exam a second (or more) time. Perhaps there are some that simply cannot understand the subject matter but persevere regardless to work on improving.
It is perfectly reasonable to argue that, even if the nett saving is zero, the outlay to those that were eligible for but did not claim PC is more focused on those that really need the financial support.hugheskevi said:The cost of Pension Credit is £5.8bn, paid to around 1.4m claimants
The cost of Winter Fuel Payments is £1.89bn, paid to around 11.4 million
If 100% of the eligible non-recipients of Pension Credit claimed, as long as the cost per claim was below about £37 per week, there would be savings from the Winter Fuel payment change.
Wasn't the complaint previously that the exams were getting "too easy" and "grade inflation"?
remember to join the army as a lance corporal you must have a pass in english & maths gcse’s.0 -
Quite frankly your previous example was still niche.BlackKnightMonty said:
Quite frankly most jobs require maths and english gcse these days.westv said:
A very niche example.BlackKnightMonty said:
As close to zero as possible, recognising some students with extreme disabilities may not be able to achieve this.westv said:
What is acceptable then? 10%? 5%? None at all?BlackKnightMonty said:
30% failure is still unacceptable and a consequence of lavish spending on pensioners to the cost of children!Grumpy_chap said:
Thank you.hugheskevi said:
Try this link.Grumpy_chap said:
That's a paywall article so we are unable to see what it actually says or any context.BlackKnightMonty said:
So, the article really says the fail rate at age 16 is around 30% - not the headline 40% mentioned.
The 40% is only achieved by including those over 16 that are taking the exam a second (or more) time. Perhaps there are some that simply cannot understand the subject matter but persevere regardless to work on improving.
It is perfectly reasonable to argue that, even if the nett saving is zero, the outlay to those that were eligible for but did not claim PC is more focused on those that really need the financial support.hugheskevi said:The cost of Pension Credit is £5.8bn, paid to around 1.4m claimants
The cost of Winter Fuel Payments is £1.89bn, paid to around 11.4 million
If 100% of the eligible non-recipients of Pension Credit claimed, as long as the cost per claim was below about £37 per week, there would be savings from the Winter Fuel payment change.
Wasn't the complaint previously that the exams were getting "too easy" and "grade inflation"?
remember to join the army as a lance corporal you must have a pass in english & maths gcse’s.0 -
I've not said that.BlackKnightMonty said:
You seem happy with a 30% failure rate; not me. We won’t reconcile the difference.Grumpy_chap said:
Is that failure rate provably anything to do with the relative expenditure on pensioners or children?BlackKnightMonty said:30% failure is still unacceptable and a consequence of lavish spending on pensioners to the cost of children!
If you put unlimited funding into education, would all children pass GCSE Maths and English at age 16?
My wife never got either (nor 'O' Levels). The reason was nothing to do with the amount of expenditure on education.
I did query whether expenditure on children is guaranteed to change that.0
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