Grandad's Parents Names

mc303m

Hello, I am applying for my Grandads Birth certificate, in order to apply for an Irish Passport, I have his death certificate but there are only his details and my fathers, so on the application form it is asking for his mother's birth name and his father's birth name, otherwise I cannot apply for the document, the details I have of my grandad are these: name, DOB, place of birth County of birth, but nobody in our family (Wales)  know his parent's name, I have searched, but i'm up against a brick wall, my grandad was born 1896, I have also read that the Irish RBMD burned down in the 1920's so they may not have the records ( correct me if I am wrong).

Any advice would be truly appreciated
Thank you

Baldytyke88

mc303m said:

Hello, I am applying for my Grandads Birth certificate, in order to apply for an Irish Passport, I have his death certificate but there are only his details and my fathers, so on the application form it is asking for his mother's birth name and his father's birth name, otherwise I cannot apply for the document, the details I have of my grandad are these: name, DOB, place of birth County of birth, but nobody in our family (Wales)  know his parent's name, I have searched, but i'm up against a brick wall, my grandad was born 1896, I have also read that the Irish RBMD burned down in the 1920's so they may not have the records ( correct me if I am wrong).

Any advice would be truly appreciated
Thank you

Some local libraries have free access to Ancestry, which will give you access to birth/marriage/death records etc.

You can join Ancestry and pay monthly.

NoodleDoodleMan

I'm entitled to apply for citizenship of the Republic of Ireland via my paternal grandmother.

This website was very useful - have you tried it yet ? No fees involved.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

I found what I needed relatively easily (no pun intended) - but I suspect luck and ignorance came into it !!!

There is also another Irish genealogy website, however I can't recall the name - possibly through the Ancestry site mentioned above.

You should (?) be OK with 1896 as the timeline - in my research I discovered that it's when you go back further into the 19th century that records become a challenge.

The official records are accessible in Dublin - the Irish Embassy in London were helpful when I enquired.

https://www.ireland.ie/en/greatbritain/london/

I hadn't been aware that such records were lost in the 1920s - sounds like a result of The Troubles or the subsequent Civil War ?

Good luck.

mc303m

Hey.... managed to find their house number, birth, death, household census and marriage certificates.
Thank you

p00hsticks

NoodleDoodleMan said:

I hadn't been aware that such records were lost in the 1920s - sounds like a result of The Troubles or the subsequent Civil War ?

Good luck.

The civil war 
The fire that destroyed all Irish records - the myth and the reality (irish-genealogy-toolkit.com)

NoodleDoodleMan

mc303m said:

Hey.... managed to find their house number, birth, death, household census and marriage certificates.
Thank you

From the website that I linked ?

If so, well done.

I decided not to follow it up - it does not allow your spouse or children to hold RoI citizenship where a legacy application through a grandparent is actioned.

I don't think Her Ladyship would be too amused negotiating the dispossessed Brits queue at passport control in Malaga while I swanned through on an Irish one !!!

Spaceace

NoodleDoodleMan said:

mc303m said:

Hey.... managed to find their house number, birth, death, household census and marriage certificates.
Thank you

From the website that I linked ?

If so, well done.

I decided not to follow it up - it does not allow your spouse or children to hold RoI citizenship where a legacy application through a grandparent is actioned.

I don't think Her Ladyship would be too amused negotiating the dispossessed Brits queue at passport control in Malaga while I swanned through on an Irish one !!!

If you are the holder of an EU passport your wife is allowed to join you in the EU passport line even though she does not hold an EU passport.  In addition, any days she spends with you in Europe do not count towards the 90 days in 180 limit for stays.

NoodleDoodleMan

Spaceace said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

mc303m said:

Hey.... managed to find their house number, birth, death, household census and marriage certificates.
Thank you

From the website that I linked ?

If so, well done.

I decided not to follow it up - it does not allow your spouse or children to hold RoI citizenship where a legacy application through a grandparent is actioned.

I don't think Her Ladyship would be too amused negotiating the dispossessed Brits queue at passport control in Malaga while I swanned through on an Irish one !!!

If you are the holder of an EU passport your wife is allowed to join you in the EU passport line even though she does not hold an EU passport.  In addition, any days she spends with you in Europe do not count towards the 90 days in 180 limit for stays.

Interesting, thanks.

DullGreyGuy

Spaceace said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

mc303m said:

Hey.... managed to find their house number, birth, death, household census and marriage certificates.
Thank you

From the website that I linked ?

If so, well done.

I decided not to follow it up - it does not allow your spouse or children to hold RoI citizenship where a legacy application through a grandparent is actioned.

I don't think Her Ladyship would be too amused negotiating the dispossessed Brits queue at passport control in Malaga while I swanned through on an Irish one !!!

If you are the holder of an EU passport your wife is allowed to join you in the EU passport line even though she does not hold an EU passport.  In addition, any days she spends with you in Europe do not count towards the 90 days in 180 limit for stays.

Do you have a link to a formal site for this? Looking at Europa.eu its not particularly clearly written on a number of levels but non of it talks about the stay being outside the normal 90 day limit. 


As to the OP, surprised you needed those details. I knew where my gran was born but didnt know her "formal" date of birth, knew it was a few months after the date she celebrated but that was all. Spoke to the local register office over there and they were exceptionally helpful, said "wrong" dob were common back then and a week or so later her birth certificate turned up. 

Spaceace

DullGreyGuy said:

Spaceace said:

If you are the holder of an EU passport your wife is allowed to join you in the EU passport line even though she does not hold an EU passport.  In addition, any days she spends with you in Europe do not count towards the 90 days in 180 limit for stays.

Do you have a link to a formal site for this? Looking at Europa.eu its not particularly clearly written on a number of levels but non of it talks about the stay being outside the normal 90 day limit. 

The regulation is EU 2016/399
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32016R0399

Article 2.5(a) defines the status of (third-country national) family members of EU Citizens as 'persons enjoying the right of free movement under Union law'

Article 2.6 defines a 'third-country national' as a non Union citizen who does not fall under Article 2.5 (above) i.e. not a family member of an EU citizen.

Article 6 sets out the 90 days in 180 provisions relating to third-country nationals but, by virtue of Article 2.6 (above) these do not apply to the family members of an EU citizen exercising their right of free movement.

Article 10.2 sets out the right to use EU channels at borders by persons enjoying the right of free movement (see Article 2.5(a) above).

Naturally, all these rights are only applicable where the third-country national family member accompanies the EU citizen and not when they travel into, or stay independently, in the EU.

Spaceace

mc303m said:

Hello, I am applying for my Grandads Birth certificate, in order to apply for an Irish Passport, I have his death certificate but there are only his details and my fathers, so on the application form it is asking for his mother's birth name and his father's birth name, otherwise I cannot apply for the document, the details I have of my grandad are these: name, DOB, place of birth County of birth, but nobody in our family (Wales)  know his parent's name, I have searched, but i'm up against a brick wall, my grandad was born 1896, I have also read that the Irish RBMD burned down in the 1920's so they may not have the records ( correct me if I am wrong).

Any advice would be truly appreciated
Thank you

You may already be up to speed with the requirements but, if not, there's a very knowledgeable and helpful facebook group if you need some guidance through the document gathering and application process:  "Foreign Birth Registration & Passports Ireland".