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Probate executor: splitting share proceeds; sell then split or split then sell?

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Climberjohn
Climberjohn Posts: 21 Forumite
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edited 8 August 2024 at 10:39PM in Deaths, funerals & probate
Simple question but hard to explain clearly!
I'm executor for my late mother's estate and have finally got probate.
There are three equal beneficiaries in the will; all want cash (i.e. shares sold) not equity.
Because probate is a PITA and takes ages, there's been a capital gain since date of death.  The gain is above the allowance.  The three beneficiaries pay different income tax rates, and so different CGT rates.

Can I as executor sell the lot, give them the cash and then they declare their share of the sale and gain as part of their self-assessment?
Or will that end up with all the CGT being assessed against me as seller and so I'd have to transfer a third of the holding to each of them and they sell individually?
The latter is a ballache of paperwork and more expensive, so I'd like to do the former but the potential difference in tax is material.

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  • Hoenir
    Hoenir Posts: 7,742 Forumite
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    CGT on asset liquidation is a liability of the Estate not the beneficiaries
  • The estate has been valued at the date of death and the equities held as scrip.  So now the beneficiaries own 1/3 of each asset.  The reference acquisition value is the quarter up value on date of death; there's now a gain.  Should I give the benficiaries the scrip and let them use their CGT allowance and prevailing rate of tax, or sell en bloc?  I am one of the three btw!
  • NoMore
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  • Thanks - I've recreated there.  Apologies.
    How do I delete this one?!
  • Simple question but hard to explain clearly!
    I'm executor for my late mother's estate and have finally got probate.
    There are three equal beneficiaries in the will; all want cash (i.e. shares sold) not equity.
    Because probate is a PITA and takes ages, there's been a capital gain since date of death.  The gain is above the allowance.  The three beneficiaries pay different income tax rates, and so different CGT rates.

    Can I as executor sell the lot, give them the cash and then they declare their share of the sale and gain as part of their self-assessment?
    Or will that end up with all the CGT being assessed against me as seller and so I'd have to transfer a third of the holding to each of them and they sell individually?
    The latter is a ballache of paperwork and more expensive, so I'd like to do the former but the potential difference in tax is material.
  • Alphatauri
    Alphatauri Posts: 127 Forumite
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    edited 8 August 2024 at 10:40PM
    Can’t you sell them as executor and the estate pays the CGT then you split the remainder? 
  • p00hsticks
    p00hsticks Posts: 14,438 Forumite
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    edited 8 August 2024 at 10:40PM
    Can’t you sell them as executor and the estate pays the CGT then you split the remainder? 
    That was going to be my suggestion too - the estate (via the executor) sells and pays the CGT.
    How are the shares held ?
  • p00hsticks
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    Thanks - I've recreated there.  Apologies.
    How do I delete this one?!
    I've asked the forum team to merge the two threads as you've had replies in both....
  • Climberjohn
    Climberjohn Posts: 21 Forumite
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    edited 8 August 2024 at 10:40PM
    Hi
    Thanks for the replies.  Yes, I could sell and split...but the estate pays CGT at 20% and if split there is 3 lots of allowances and two people at 18%...
  • poppystar
    poppystar Posts: 1,633 Forumite
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    edited 8 August 2024 at 10:40PM
    If they are asking for cash then the estate sells and pays the tax. If they want to use their own allowances then they must accept the shares and deal with it themselves. No sense in making it all more of a PITA for yourself🙂
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