Holiday pay already in hourly rate advertised

PotPoodle

I've seen a job advertised at £13.00 per hour, and it is term time only. I'm about to take the job, thinking the rate isn't bad, but as it's 39 weeks per year I've been told by another cleaner who showed me round that it includes holiday pay. Are employers allowed to do this without telling you? I will call the company, but just wanted to know if it is legal. It brings the wage down to almost minimum wage. 

Brie

They are allowed to include holiday pay in with the hourly rate so you are paid that each week/month but it should be clear.  As long as without the holiday percentage being included it is at least NMW that's ok.  

Hoenir

The nature of the job suits those who only wish to work term time. 13 weeks a year holiday is something virually every employee can ever dream of. Childcare is of course horrendously expensive. Job provides a work / life balance. 

General_Grant

Brie said:

They are allowed to include holiday pay in with the hourly rate so you are paid that each week/month but it should be clear.  As long as without the holiday percentage being included it is at least NMW that's ok.  

If it is like a normal salary (ie paid in equal instalments throughout the year), then holiday pay would be included in the hourly rate.  However I believe holiday pay should be shown separately on the payslip if that is not the case.

PotPoodle

Brie, thanks, it wasn't made clear.
Hoenir, I have to disagree with you there, 13 weeks with no work and no pay is not holiday or a dream. I don't meet many people these days that just have a little cleaning job at the school, most work full time (and more) cleaning all over and get little pay. The conditions used to be better when the schools employed people directly through the council, but now it's contract cleaning, it can be awful. 

Hoenir

PotPoodle said:

Hoenir, I have to disagree with you there, 13 weeks with no work and no pay is not holiday or a dream. 

It's the nature of the job though. For some people it works for others it doesn't. If it's not for you move on to something that does suit you. 

wigglygiggly

Read this: https://www.acas.org.uk/irregular-hours-and-part-year-workers/rolled-up-holiday-pay

PotPoodle

Hoenir said:

PotPoodle said:

Hoenir, I have to disagree with you there, 13 weeks with no work and no pay is not holiday or a dream. 

It's the nature of the job though. For some people it works for others it doesn't. If it's not for you move on to something that does suit you. 

My post is not about job choice or job satisfaction, it is about whether or not it is legal to advertise a job at a specified rate, and then pay a lower rate.

sheramber

I had a colleague who worked term time only but her pay was annualised so that she received it over 12 months.

It meant she got slightly less each month  but got a salary each month, rather than having no pay over school holidays, 

DullGreyGuy

PotPoodle said:

Hoenir said:

PotPoodle said:

Hoenir, I have to disagree with you there, 13 weeks with no work and no pay is not holiday or a dream. 

It's the nature of the job though. For some people it works for others it doesn't. If it's not for you move on to something that does suit you. 

My post is not about job choice or job satisfaction, it is about whether or not it is legal to advertise a job at a specified rate, and then pay a lower rate.

There are very limited rules on how jobs have to be advertised, most stated rules aren't really rules about the advertisement but suggest illegal discrimination is going to happen in the selection of employees. 

It can certainly be frustrating though... the number of times I've seen jobs advertised as "above market rate" or "exceptional salary" and when I've spoken to the agent advertising its under 50% of the going rate but these are wooly terms and really my losses are just 20 minutes of my time trying to phone them. 

Savvy_Sue

I think technically it should be made clear that the rate includes holiday pay, but I don't think it is illegal not to. Holiday pay needs to be a separate item on the payslip if it is paid in this way.