British Gas New Meter in Jan 2023 and bills increasing ever since

activist3

Ok here come the readings!! 

3 Dec 2022 - 30 Apr 2023
10885.89kWh at 6.141p per kWh £668.50
0130 - we read your meter
0479 - estimated meter reading 349 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 May 2023 - 4 May 2023
124.76kWh at 9.969p per kWh £12.44
0479 estimated meter reading at tariff change
0483 estimated meter reading 4 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

5 May 2023 - 30 Jun 2023
1029.32kWh at 8.421p per kWh £86.68
0483 - estimated meter reading at tariff change
0516 - you gave us your meter reading 33 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 Jul 2023 - 10 Nov 2023
5112.45kWh at 8.421p per kWh £430.52
0516 - you gave us your meter reading
0677 - you gave us your meter reading 161 gas units at 39.5 calorific value 

11 Nov 2023 - 24 Apr 2024
9744.30kWh at 8.421p per kWh £1662.67
0677 - you gave us your meter reading
1310 - last read on old billing system 633 gas units at 38.8 calorific value 

activist3

Reading today is 1391

Something seems to be wrong as that doesnt make sense 

Qyburn

wrf12345 said:

There is times eleven difference between m3 and cubic feet (roughly) 

One cu.m is just over 35 cu.ft.

BarelySentientAI

activist3 said:

Ok here come the readings!! 

3 Dec 2022 - 30 Apr 2023
10885.89kWh at 6.141p per kWh £668.50
0130 - we read your meter
0479 - estimated meter reading 349 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 May 2023 - 4 May 2023
124.76kWh at 9.969p per kWh £12.44
0479 estimated meter reading at tariff change
0483 estimated meter reading 4 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

5 May 2023 - 30 Jun 2023
1029.32kWh at 8.421p per kWh £86.68
0483 - estimated meter reading at tariff change
0516 - you gave us your meter reading 33 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 Jul 2023 - 10 Nov 2023
5112.45kWh at 8.421p per kWh £430.52
0516 - you gave us your meter reading
0677 - you gave us your meter reading 161 gas units at 39.5 calorific value 

11 Nov 2023 - 24 Apr 2024
9744.30kWh at 8.421p per kWh £1662.67
0677 - you gave us your meter reading
1310 - last read on old billing system 633 gas units at 38.8 calorific value 

So ignoring the readings that aren't actually readings:

Actual reading 3 Dec 2022              0130
Customer reading 30 Jun 2023       0516
Customer reading 10 Nov 2023      0677
"Closing" reading 24 Apr 2024        1310
Customer reading 2 Jul 2024          1391

activist3

BarelySentientAI said:

activist3 said:

Ok here come the readings!! 

3 Dec 2022 - 30 Apr 2023
10885.89kWh at 6.141p per kWh £668.50
0130 - we read your meter
0479 - estimated meter reading 349 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 May 2023 - 4 May 2023
124.76kWh at 9.969p per kWh £12.44
0479 estimated meter reading at tariff change
0483 estimated meter reading 4 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

5 May 2023 - 30 Jun 2023
1029.32kWh at 8.421p per kWh £86.68
0483 - estimated meter reading at tariff change
0516 - you gave us your meter reading 33 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 Jul 2023 - 10 Nov 2023
5112.45kWh at 8.421p per kWh £430.52
0516 - you gave us your meter reading
0677 - you gave us your meter reading 161 gas units at 39.5 calorific value 

11 Nov 2023 - 24 Apr 2024
9744.30kWh at 8.421p per kWh £1662.67
0677 - you gave us your meter reading
1310 - last read on old billing system 633 gas units at 38.8 calorific value 

So ignoring the readings that aren't actually readings:

Actual reading 3 Dec 2022              0130
Customer reading 30 Jun 2023       0516
Customer reading 10 Nov 2023      0677
"Closing" reading 24 Apr 2024        1310
Customer reading 2 Jul 2024          1391

Thank you :-)

MeteredOut

Qyburn said:

wrf12345 said:

There is times eleven difference between m3 and cubic feet (roughly) 

One cu.m is just over 35 cu.ft.

Thank {$deity} for full stops!

MeteredOut

BarelySentientAI said:

activist3 said:

Ok here come the readings!! 

3 Dec 2022 - 30 Apr 2023
10885.89kWh at 6.141p per kWh £668.50
0130 - we read your meter
0479 - estimated meter reading 349 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 May 2023 - 4 May 2023
124.76kWh at 9.969p per kWh £12.44
0479 estimated meter reading at tariff change
0483 estimated meter reading 4 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

5 May 2023 - 30 Jun 2023
1029.32kWh at 8.421p per kWh £86.68
0483 - estimated meter reading at tariff change
0516 - you gave us your meter reading 33 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 Jul 2023 - 10 Nov 2023
5112.45kWh at 8.421p per kWh £430.52
0516 - you gave us your meter reading
0677 - you gave us your meter reading 161 gas units at 39.5 calorific value 

11 Nov 2023 - 24 Apr 2024
9744.30kWh at 8.421p per kWh £1662.67
0677 - you gave us your meter reading
1310 - last read on old billing system 633 gas units at 38.8 calorific value 

So ignoring the readings that aren't actually readings:

Actual reading 3 Dec 2022              0130
Customer reading 30 Jun 2023       0516
Customer reading 10 Nov 2023      0677
"Closing" reading 24 Apr 2024        1310
Customer reading 2 Jul 2024          1391

Maybe I'm missing something, but plugging those numbers into a spreadsheet shows a not-unbelievable average number of units used per day

					From	To	Reading	Days	Usage	Avg/day
Actual reading 3 Dec 2022              0130						03/12/2022	130
Customer reading 30 Jun 2023       0516					03/12/2022	30/06/2023	516	209	386	1.85
Customer reading 10 Nov 2023      0677					30/06/2023	10/11/2023	677	133	161	1.21
"Closing" reading 24 Apr 2024        1310					10/11/2023	24/04/2024	1310	166	633	3.81
Customer reading 2 Jul 2024          1391					24/04/2024	02/07/2024	1391	69	81	1.17

The winter 23/24 winter usage might look higher that the winter/early summer 22/23 usage, but that could be explained by how the homeowner was using their energy and also that 22/23 figures contains usage through to end of June which will lower the average.

With a new meter installed in Jan 2023, we'd need meters prior to Dec 2022 to tell whether there was an increase after the new meter was installed.

activist3

MeteredOut said:

BarelySentientAI said:

activist3 said:

Ok here come the readings!! 

3 Dec 2022 - 30 Apr 2023
10885.89kWh at 6.141p per kWh £668.50
0130 - we read your meter
0479 - estimated meter reading 349 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 May 2023 - 4 May 2023
124.76kWh at 9.969p per kWh £12.44
0479 estimated meter reading at tariff change
0483 estimated meter reading 4 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

5 May 2023 - 30 Jun 2023
1029.32kWh at 8.421p per kWh £86.68
0483 - estimated meter reading at tariff change
0516 - you gave us your meter reading 33 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 Jul 2023 - 10 Nov 2023
5112.45kWh at 8.421p per kWh £430.52
0516 - you gave us your meter reading
0677 - you gave us your meter reading 161 gas units at 39.5 calorific value 

11 Nov 2023 - 24 Apr 2024
9744.30kWh at 8.421p per kWh £1662.67
0677 - you gave us your meter reading
1310 - last read on old billing system 633 gas units at 38.8 calorific value 

So ignoring the readings that aren't actually readings:

Actual reading 3 Dec 2022              0130
Customer reading 30 Jun 2023       0516
Customer reading 10 Nov 2023      0677
"Closing" reading 24 Apr 2024        1310
Customer reading 2 Jul 2024          1391

Maybe I'm missing something, but plugging those numbers into a spreadsheet shows a not-unbelievable average number of units used per day

					From	To	Reading	Days	Usage	Avg/day
Actual reading 3 Dec 2022              0130						03/12/2022	130
Customer reading 30 Jun 2023       0516					03/12/2022	30/06/2023	516	209	386	1.85
Customer reading 10 Nov 2023      0677					30/06/2023	10/11/2023	677	133	161	1.21
"Closing" reading 24 Apr 2024        1310					10/11/2023	24/04/2024	1310	166	633	3.81
Customer reading 2 Jul 2024          1391					24/04/2024	02/07/2024	1391	69	81	1.17

The winter 23/24 winter usage might look higher that the winter/early summer 22/23 usage, but that could be explained by how the homeowner was using their energy and also that 22/23 figures contains usage through to end of June which will lower the average.

With a new meter installed in Jan 2023, we'd need meters prior to Dec 2022 to tell whether there was an increase after the new meter was installed.

I really appreciate this analysis.  The homeowner is saying nothing has changed.  In fact the usage has gone down since a relationship break up which mean one less adult in the house.  It just doesnt make sense why the two winter readings have doubled.  The latest reading has the lowest average because she is so scared of doing anything with the gas.  

BarelySentientAI

activist3 said:

MeteredOut said:

BarelySentientAI said:

activist3 said:

Ok here come the readings!! 

3 Dec 2022 - 30 Apr 2023
10885.89kWh at 6.141p per kWh £668.50
0130 - we read your meter
0479 - estimated meter reading 349 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 May 2023 - 4 May 2023
124.76kWh at 9.969p per kWh £12.44
0479 estimated meter reading at tariff change
0483 estimated meter reading 4 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

5 May 2023 - 30 Jun 2023
1029.32kWh at 8.421p per kWh £86.68
0483 - estimated meter reading at tariff change
0516 - you gave us your meter reading 33 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 Jul 2023 - 10 Nov 2023
5112.45kWh at 8.421p per kWh £430.52
0516 - you gave us your meter reading
0677 - you gave us your meter reading 161 gas units at 39.5 calorific value 

11 Nov 2023 - 24 Apr 2024
9744.30kWh at 8.421p per kWh £1662.67
0677 - you gave us your meter reading
1310 - last read on old billing system 633 gas units at 38.8 calorific value 

So ignoring the readings that aren't actually readings:

Actual reading 3 Dec 2022              0130
Customer reading 30 Jun 2023       0516
Customer reading 10 Nov 2023      0677
"Closing" reading 24 Apr 2024        1310
Customer reading 2 Jul 2024          1391

Maybe I'm missing something, but plugging those numbers into a spreadsheet shows a not-unbelievable average number of units used per day

					From	To	Reading	Days	Usage	Avg/day
Actual reading 3 Dec 2022              0130						03/12/2022	130
Customer reading 30 Jun 2023       0516					03/12/2022	30/06/2023	516	209	386	1.85
Customer reading 10 Nov 2023      0677					30/06/2023	10/11/2023	677	133	161	1.21
"Closing" reading 24 Apr 2024        1310					10/11/2023	24/04/2024	1310	166	633	3.81
Customer reading 2 Jul 2024          1391					24/04/2024	02/07/2024	1391	69	81	1.17

The winter 23/24 winter usage might look higher that the winter/early summer 22/23 usage, but that could be explained by how the homeowner was using their energy and also that 22/23 figures contains usage through to end of June which will lower the average.

With a new meter installed in Jan 2023, we'd need meters prior to Dec 2022 to tell whether there was an increase after the new meter was installed.

I really appreciate this analysis.  The homeowner is saying nothing has changed.  In fact the usage has gone down since a relationship break up which mean one less adult in the house.  It just doesnt make sense why the two winter readings have doubled.  The latest reading has the lowest average because she is so scared of doing anything with the gas.  

The latest usage is pretty close to the previous "summer" usage.  24 April to 2 July and 30 June to 10 November are similar in terms of statistics (something like 16%/17% of annual usage on a typical curve).  Not evidence of behaviour change.

The first winter represents (typically) about 73% of the year - so about 528 annually.
The second winter represents about 70% of the year           - so about 900 annually.

That looks like a difference.  But given that both are after fitting the new meter, it seems unlikely that the meter made the difference.

activist3

BarelySentientAI said:

activist3 said:

MeteredOut said:

BarelySentientAI said:

activist3 said:

Ok here come the readings!! 

3 Dec 2022 - 30 Apr 2023
10885.89kWh at 6.141p per kWh £668.50
0130 - we read your meter
0479 - estimated meter reading 349 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 May 2023 - 4 May 2023
124.76kWh at 9.969p per kWh £12.44
0479 estimated meter reading at tariff change
0483 estimated meter reading 4 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

5 May 2023 - 30 Jun 2023
1029.32kWh at 8.421p per kWh £86.68
0483 - estimated meter reading at tariff change
0516 - you gave us your meter reading 33 gas units at 38.8 calorific value

1 Jul 2023 - 10 Nov 2023
5112.45kWh at 8.421p per kWh £430.52
0516 - you gave us your meter reading
0677 - you gave us your meter reading 161 gas units at 39.5 calorific value 

11 Nov 2023 - 24 Apr 2024
9744.30kWh at 8.421p per kWh £1662.67
0677 - you gave us your meter reading
1310 - last read on old billing system 633 gas units at 38.8 calorific value 

So ignoring the readings that aren't actually readings:

Actual reading 3 Dec 2022              0130
Customer reading 30 Jun 2023       0516
Customer reading 10 Nov 2023      0677
"Closing" reading 24 Apr 2024        1310
Customer reading 2 Jul 2024          1391

Maybe I'm missing something, but plugging those numbers into a spreadsheet shows a not-unbelievable average number of units used per day

					From	To	Reading	Days	Usage	Avg/day
Actual reading 3 Dec 2022              0130						03/12/2022	130
Customer reading 30 Jun 2023       0516					03/12/2022	30/06/2023	516	209	386	1.85
Customer reading 10 Nov 2023      0677					30/06/2023	10/11/2023	677	133	161	1.21
"Closing" reading 24 Apr 2024        1310					10/11/2023	24/04/2024	1310	166	633	3.81
Customer reading 2 Jul 2024          1391					24/04/2024	02/07/2024	1391	69	81	1.17

The winter 23/24 winter usage might look higher that the winter/early summer 22/23 usage, but that could be explained by how the homeowner was using their energy and also that 22/23 figures contains usage through to end of June which will lower the average.

With a new meter installed in Jan 2023, we'd need meters prior to Dec 2022 to tell whether there was an increase after the new meter was installed.

I really appreciate this analysis.  The homeowner is saying nothing has changed.  In fact the usage has gone down since a relationship break up which mean one less adult in the house.  It just doesnt make sense why the two winter readings have doubled.  The latest reading has the lowest average because she is so scared of doing anything with the gas.  

The latest usage is pretty close to the previous "summer" usage.  24 April to 2 July and 30 June to 10 November are similar in terms of statistics (something like 16%/17% of annual usage on a typical curve).  Not evidence of behaviour change.

The first winter represents (typically) about 73% of the year - so about 528 annually.
The second winter represents about 70% of the year           - so about 900 annually.

That looks like a difference.  But given that both are after fitting the new meter, it seems unlikely that the meter made the difference.

Thank you.  If its not the meter.  And the behaviour hasnt changed.  What are your best guess as to the reason for the jump?